Running shoes considered harmful?

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The discussion centers around the claims regarding the potential harm of running shoes compared to barefoot running. Participants explore the biomechanics of running, particularly the differences between heel striking and fore-foot striking, and the implications for injury risk and running efficiency. The conversation includes references to recent studies and personal experiences with different running styles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about claims that heel striking leads to more injuries, suggesting that discomfort while barefoot may not translate to harm when wearing shoes.
  • There is a discussion about kinematic and kinetic analyses indicating that barefoot runners who fore-foot strike may generate smaller collision forces compared to shod rear-foot strikers.
  • Several participants question the concept of "normal gait," asserting that it typically involves heel striking, and express confusion about how one could run effectively without doing so.
  • Some participants share personal experiences of attempting to run with a fore-foot strike and reflect on the challenges and adjustments required.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of instruction for proper running technique, with some arguing that needing to be taught indicates that the method may not be natural.
  • There are discussions about the role of fat padding in the heel and its ability to absorb impact, suggesting that heel striking may not be as detrimental as some claim.
  • Participants discuss the evolutionary aspects of running, proposing that fore-foot striking may be more efficient for endurance running, while heel striking is more common in walking.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the benefits or harms of running shoes versus barefoot running. Multiple competing views remain regarding the naturalness of different running styles and their implications for injury risk.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on personal experiences and interpretations of biomechanical studies, and there are unresolved questions about the definitions of "natural" running and the effects of footwear on running form.

  • #31
minger said:
Try it, take off your shoes and run, you'll find that heel-striking really hurts.
So what? That has absolutely nothing to do with any of the following claims:
  • Our instincts are to run toe-to-heel
  • Running toe-to-heel is better when wearing shoes
and it counts as evidence against
  • Running without shoes is better than running with shoes
 
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  • #32
Hurkyl said:
So what? That has absolutely nothing to do with any of the following claims:
  • Our instincts are to run toe-to-heel
  • Running toe-to-heel is better when wearing shoes
and it counts as evidence against
  • Running without shoes is better than running with shoes

You're obviously not a golfer (ok, end Big Lebowski unnecessary quote).

You would say that 100 years of running in shoes has "overwritten" thousands of years of running barefoot? You can't argue the fact that as athletes perform at higher levels, the shoes become less of a crutch. Track spikes are minimalistic at best. Sure many people use highly cushioned shoes for distance, but the highest performing ones use very small lightweight shoes...and do not heel strike. That is fact and not opinion.

Running toe-to-heel is not contradictory to wearing shoes; they are completely separate issues. One can toe-heel run in shoes, and likewise one can heel strike barefoot. The fact is that barefoot lends itself towards midsole/toe striking.

I merely said that for me, midsole striking has cured many problems I've had running. I let logic deduce the rest.
 
  • #33
I'd like to know where these people are running barefoot. I tried that for a while years ago and a few times landed a foot on debris (glass, sharp rock...). Which is why I wear running shoes. I also get better traction.
 
  • #34
Newai said:
I'd like to know where these people are running barefoot. I tried that for a while years ago and a few times landed a foot on debris (glass, sharp rock...). Which is why I wear running shoes. I also get better traction.

ethiopia. east africans are dominating the long-distance events, and they often train barefoot.

what most of the discussion here fails to account for is that we westerners do not have an instinctual gait. our gait is shaped by footwear, most of it heeled, btw. the only way to talk about what is natural gait for humans is to go analyze how people run that have never worn shoes.
 
  • #35
Proton Soup said:
the only way to talk about what is natural gait for humans is to go analyze how people run that have never worn shoes.
Adapting to padded heels is just as "unnatural" as adapting to sharp rocks. It's obvious how you plan on getting rid of the first effect -- how do you plan on getting rid of the second one? After all, I suspect you'll reject the obvious way...

(Also, if we were really serious, we would need to find some way to deal with the possibility that people would learn a certain gait by watching others)

(Why do we care what's "natural"? :confused:)
 
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  • #36
Hurkyl said:
Adapting to padded heels is just as "unnatural" as adapting to sharp rocks. It's obvious how you plan on getting rid of the first effect -- how do you plan on getting rid of the second one? After all, I suspect you'll reject the obvious way...

(Also, if we were really serious, we would need to find some way to deal with the possibility that people would learn a certain gait by watching others)

(Why do we care what's "natural"? :confused:)

The problem is that if you didn't wear shoes you wouldn't be 'adapting' to anything. You would run with your forefoot hitting first. That is how we have evolved over all these years.

Your arguments are starting to get rediculous now it appears you're trying to claim that what occurs naturally without technological interference is really unnatural because there's the possibility that we would have to learn this behaviour? Then what DOES it mean for something to be 'natural' for humans? As well it really has nothing to do with sharp rocks. If you just want to be difficult and continue to believe that because you've grown up with shoes and walk/run a certain way then by all means believe that. When you see humans who are removed from these types of 'privleges' and you notice that they run differently than yourself maybe you'll think why? Maybe you'll also think why they can run for hours whereas you can only run for minutes? Maybe you'll do some research into the topic instead of running around with a biased opinion?

As well we care what's the natural running gait because it was brought up that a humans normal gait is heal impacting first. That's right but not what occurs in a running or sprinting gait. It relates to the OP because they are discussing how because of shoes we have the tendency to lose our natural running gait towards a more 'heal impact' gait which will result in higher potential for injury and is very inefficient. Regardless of if you are wearing shoes or not.
 
  • #37
It's been known for a long time that expensive running shoes which provide a lot of ankle support increase the risk of injury because they prevent you from developing strong ankle muscles.

The lack of a sole also strengthens the muscles on the bottom of your foot, which is a good reason to run barefoot on the beach.

However if you're running around in rocky or urban terrain, it's still a good idea to wear some kind of shoe...simply to protect yourself from small rocks and things. I think this is pretty obvious. The point is that you don't need to go out and buy those expensive shoes with all kinds of "supportive technology" built into them...nor do you need to replace your shoes every few months as the shoe companies would like to suggest.

Another thing to keep in mind is that it's very unnatural to walk and run on pavement all the time. If you choose to run on pavement, don't be surprised when you develop knee and hip problems later in life. It's better to run on dirt trails or off to the side of the road because the Earth will provide a little bit of natural cushioning.

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