S matrix and decaying particles

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The discussion revolves around the S-matrix formalism in quantum field theory, particularly in the context of decaying particles like the neutron and the treatment of neutrinos. Participants explore how unstable particles fit into the S-matrix framework and the implications for decay rates and particle states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a neutron can be described as an eigenstate within the S-matrix formalism due to its instability and how this affects the computation of its decay rate.
  • Another participant suggests that while the S-matrix typically requires stable particles, the neutron can still be treated as a resonance in scattering processes involving neutrinos, electrons, and protons.
  • Concerns are raised about the treatment of neutrinos, with one participant arguing that mass eigenstates should be used instead of flavor eigenstates, as the latter may lead to inaccurate predictions regarding the neutrino produced in decay processes.
  • A participant references the PMNS matrix and discusses how neutrino oscillations and mixing can be accounted for in decay rate calculations.
  • Another participant mentions that the decay rate can be derived from the imaginary part of the pole in the scattering amplitude, even if the neutron is not strictly allowed as an in-state particle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of unstable particles within the S-matrix formalism and the implications for decay rates and neutrino states. No consensus is reached on these issues.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the treatment of unstable particles and the assumptions involved in using the S-matrix formalism for decay processes. The discussion highlights the complexity of incorporating neutrino states and the implications of particle mixing.

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Hi All,

The S-matrix is defined as the inner product of the in- and out-states, as in Eq. (3.2.1) in Weinberg's QFT vol 1:
S_{βα}=(Ψ−β,Ψ+α)

\Psi_{±α} are the eigenstates of the full Hamiltonian with a non-zero interaction term.

Can \alpha describes a neutron ? Since it is not stable, it is not an eigenstate of the full Hamiltonian, so it should not... But then how can you compute the decay rate of the neutron within the S matrix formalism ?

I am also wondering how to take neutrinon into account. Supposing \alpha can describe a neutron,
the neutron may decays as: n → p + e^− + \overline{\nu}_e. But \overline{\nu}_e is not an eigenstate of the full Hamiltonian ; I would rather use the mass eigenstates \nu_1, \nu_2, \nu_3. But then it means that the S matrix formalism is unable to predict that it is really a \nu_e that is created at the time of the interaction, which could lead to false predictions... What do you think ?
 
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If you have access to Peskin-Schröder, there is a discussion on unstable particles in chapter 7 in relation to the discussion of the optical theorem.

When it regards neutrinos, you are right. The states should really be the mass eigenstates. However, they remain coherent over pretty large distances due to the very small mass splittings, resulting in neutrino oscillations. If you do not measure the neutrino, you can simply do the total decay rate as a sum of the decay rates into the different mass eigenstates. The result will be essentially ##\Gamma = (|U_{e1}|^2+|U_{e2}|^2+|U_{e3}|^2)\Gamma_0##, where ##\Gamma_0## is the decay rate you would have to one neutrino state if there was no mixing and ##U## is the PMNS matrix. Since the PMNS (as far as we know) is unitary, the sum of the squared PMNS matrix elements equals 1.
 
Strictly speaking, only stable particles are allowed in the in and out states. The neutron then appears as a resonance in scattering of a neutrino, electron, and proton. The decay rate is identified with the imaginary part of the location of the pole in the scattering amplitude.

Happily, it turns out that this decay rate is equivalent to what you get by starting with a neutron in the in state, even though you are not really allowed to do this.

Srednicki's text also has a discussion of this.
 
Thanks for your replies. I will have a look to these references
 

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