Scalar multiplication axiom, quick question

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The discussion centers on the scalar multiplication axiom in vector spaces, specifically examining the implications of defining scalar multiplication as ku = (0, ku2) for a vector u = (u1, u2). The user questions whether this definition holds for different scalars m and for any vector v, leading to confusion regarding Axioms 7, 8, and 9. The user provides examples to illustrate their problem, ultimately seeking clarification on the validity of their interpretations of these axioms.

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u and v are contained in V

Lets say the scalar multiplication is defined as:

ex.

ku=k^2 u or ku = (0,ku2) u=(u1,u2)

does this mean that this is also the same for different scalar m?

mu=m^2 u or mu = (0,mu2) u=(u1,u2)

and does this mean the same for any vector v

kv=k^2 v or kv = (0,kv2) v=(v1,v2)

Is this correct?

Axioms 7,8,9 contain the 2 different scalars as well as vectors. it really confuses me.

Can someone please put me on the right track :s
 
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so u guys know and I am not confusing you guys i showed 2 examples there to help show my problem.

Ex 1.

Lets say the scalar multiplication is defined as:

ku = (0,ku2) u=(u1,u2)

does this then mean that this is also the same for different scalar m?

mu = (0,mu2) u=(u1,u2)

and also this for any vector v

kv = (0,kv2) v=(v1,v2)

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addition u+v=(u1+v1, u2+v2)

ex.. axiom 8 (to help explain my problem)

using what is described above.

(k+m)u = ku + mu
(k+m)(u1,u2)=k(u1,u2) + m(u1,u2)
(0,(k+m)u2)=(0,ku2) + (0,mu2)
(0,(k+m)u2)=(0,ku2+mu2)
(0,(k+m)u2)=(0,(k+m)u2)

LS=RS therefore axiom 8 holds for the set.

now using just ku=(0,ku2)

(k+m)u = ku + mu
(k+m)(u1,u2) = k(u1,u2) + m(u1,u2)
((k+m)u1, (k+m)u2) = (0,ku2) + (mu1,mu2)
((k+m)u1, (k+m)u2) = (0+mu1, ku2+mu2)
(ku1+mu1,ku2+mu2) = (mu1, ku2 +mu2)

LS ≠ RS so axiom 8 doesn't hold for the set.

hopefully that helps explain my problem...

which way is correct?? please help!
 
ryan8642 said:
Axioms 7,8,9 contain the 2 different scalars as well as vectors. it really confuses me.

It also confuses anyone who doesn't know what axioms 7,8 and 9 are, which I assume is almost everybody. Why don't you give a complete statement of the exercise that your are trying to work?
 

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