Schrodinger Equations - wave propagation

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The discussion centers around the Schrödinger Equations and their relation to wave propagation, exploring the background, derivation, and implications of these equations within the context of quantum mechanics and wave theory. Participants seek resources and clarification on how the Schrödinger equation fits into the broader framework of wave propagation, including connections to concepts like dispersion and dielectric loss.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests guidance on learning about the Schrödinger Equations in relation to wave propagation, expressing difficulty in finding comprehensive resources.
  • Another participant suggests that familiarity with Fourier transforms would be beneficial and recommends a specific book by David Bohm for motivation.
  • A participant provides a link to HyperPhysics as a potential resource but notes that it presents concepts in abstract terms.
  • One participant discusses the relationship between the wave equation and the Schrödinger equation, indicating that the latter can be viewed as a square root of the former.
  • There is a mention of De Broglie's assertion that energy is related to angular frequency, which some participants attribute to Einstein as well.
  • A participant expresses a desire to understand the significance of representing wave phenomena through the Schrödinger equation and requests further reading materials.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that in the relativistic limit, the Schrödinger equation relates to the Klein-Gordon equation, which describes waves traveling at the speed of light.
  • There is a suggestion that studying quantum field theory may provide deeper insights into the relationship between the Schrödinger equation and wave equations.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and seek clarification on the connections between the Schrödinger equation and wave propagation. There is no consensus on the best resources or the implications of these equations, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

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Participants mention various assumptions and dependencies, such as the need for familiarity with Fourier transforms and the interpretation of quantum mechanics in relation to classical wave theory. The discussion includes references to specific equations and concepts without resolving the complexities involved.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of quantum mechanics, wave theory, and those interested in the mathematical foundations of physics, particularly in understanding the Schrödinger equation and its applications.

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Hi,
Can somebody point me in the correct direction of learning about Schrödinger Equations in relation to Wave propagation. I came across Schrödinger Equations in some texts but couldn't quite understand some background. Most of the time the author used it from nowhere.

Really appreciate if you would point me to some online / book references.
Even wikipedia gives only a set of equations. I would hope some derivation/formulation based on Maxwell equations.

Thanks
 
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What background do you have? If you are comfortable with Fourier transforms the Dover book Quantum Theory by David Bohm does a nice job motivating this.

Note that Schrodenger's equation is not derived from Maxwell's equations.
 
Thanks.
Yes I'm OK with Fourier transforms.
I'm looking to understand the Schrödinger relationship in the context of wave propagation.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/schrcn.html
speaks only in abstract terms.


So far I'm happily going through understanding dispersion, dielectric loss etc. But in several references I came across the Shrodinger equation but don't know how it fits in with wave propagation.
 
Take the wave equation and you see that the solution can be written as
φ(x,t) = A(x) e^{- i t w} where omega is the angular frequency. De Broglie says that the energy is E = \hbar w . Now you see that the Schrödinger equation id the square root of the wave equation.

i \hbar ∂ φ(x, t) / ∂ t = E φ(x, t)
 
naturale said:
De Broglie says that the energy is E = \hbar w

Einstein says that.
 
Thanks naturale !
That was very clear.
Anyway why is the wave equation represented as a Schrödinger equation? Is there any particular importance related to wave propagation.

I would really like to read some text with explanation like u gave + plus some insights into the importance of representing in Schrödinger equation. Could u point me to some?

Thanks
 
In the relativistic limit the Schrödinger equation becomes the KG equation, which (in particular in the massless case) represents a wave with velocity c. If you want to see the relation of the SE with wave equation you must study quantum field theory.

To have an idea look to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein-Gordon_equation .

I don't how much in details you want to go, but on the interpretation of QM in terms of classical periodic waves my filling is that it is starting a new era.
 

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