Schwarzschild Metric Singularity: Why?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the singularity at r=0 in the Schwarzschild metric, particularly questioning why this singularity exists when the metric is said to be valid only outside a spherically symmetric static mass. The scope includes theoretical considerations of general relativity and the properties of the Schwarzschild solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the singularity at r=0 is not present in the vacuum region outside a spherically symmetric static mass, suggesting that the Schwarzschild metric is only valid outside this region.
  • Others propose that the singularity at r=0 exists within the context of a black hole spacetime, where the vacuum region is not merely outside a static mass but involves collapsing regions of matter.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that the Schwarzschild solution is a vacuum solution to the Einstein Field Equations (EFE), where the parameter M in the metric does not represent the mass of any physical object, thus making r=0 a point of singularity within the manifold.
  • Some participants note that the Schwarzschild manifold does not include r=0, highlighting the need for precision in discussing the manifold's properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the singularity at r=0, with no consensus reached regarding its implications in the context of the Schwarzschild metric and its applicability to real physical scenarios.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the nature of the manifold and the conditions under which the Schwarzschild solution is applied, particularly concerning the presence of mass and the definition of the vacuum region.

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Why does the Schwarzschild metric have a singularity at r=0 if it is only valid outside the spherically symmetric static mass?
 
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Charles_Xu said:
Why does the Schwarzschild metric have a singularity at r=0 if it is only valid outside the spherically symmetric static mass?
If we are talking about the vacuum region outside a spherically symmetric static mass, that region does not include ##r = 0##, and it does not include a singularity.

The singularity at ##r = 0## is only present in a black hole spacetime, where the vacuum Schwarzschild region is not outside a static mass; if a mass (i.e., a region occupied not by vacuum but by matter) is present in the spacetime, it is not static but is a collapsing region (as in the Oppenheimer-Snyder 1939 model of gravitational collapse), and the vacuum region outside it goes all the way down to ##r = 0##.
 
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Charles_Xu said:
Why does the Schwarzschild metric have a singularity at r=0 if it is only valid outside the spherically symmetric static mass?
The Schwarzschild solution to the EFE is vacuum everywhere - no mass anywhere, stress-energy tensor is zero everywhere, the ##M## that appears in the metric is a parameter that characterizes the solution not the mass of anything. Thus any point with ##r\gt 0## is an element of the manifold and it makes sense to consider the singularity at ##r=0##.

When we apply the Schwarzschild solution to the vacuum outside of a real object of mass ##M## and non-zero radius we’re considering just a subset of the entire manifold, a subset that doesn’t include the singularity.
 
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Just to be slightly pedantic: the Schwarzschild manifold does not include r=0.
 
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Dale said:
Just to be slightly pedantic: the Schwarzschild manifold does not include r=0.
This is true but properly stating it was more work than I wanted to do.
 
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