Science Journal Editor in Turkey Fired over Darwin Cover Story

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The discussion centers around the firing of Cigdem Atakuman, the editor-in-chief of the Turkish science journal Bilim ve Teknik, following the council's decision to prevent the publication of a cover story on Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. Participants explore themes of censorship, the intersection of science and religion, and the implications of Turkey's evolving societal values regarding secularism and Islam.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that the Turkish government is censoring scientific discourse due to religious pressures, particularly regarding evolution.
  • One participant suggests that Turkey's rejection of certain scientific ideas reflects a broader cultural divide, implying a lack of progress compared to Western nations.
  • Another participant counters that equating religious practices, such as the pilgrimage to Mecca, with backwardness is inappropriate and offensive.
  • Some argue that Muslims are fully capable of understanding science, and that religious practices should not be seen as a rejection of scientific progress.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the relationship between faith and science is complex, suggesting that the choice to practice religion does not inherently imply a lack of scientific understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of religious practices for scientific understanding and progress. There is no consensus on whether the actions of the Turkish government represent a broader trend of censorship or a legitimate cultural stance.

Contextual Notes

Participants' arguments reflect a range of assumptions about the relationship between religion and science, as well as differing perspectives on cultural identity and progress. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Surprised I didn't find a discussion on this here...
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,613768,00.html
No issue divides Turks more than the country's alleged creeping Islamization. Early last week, the Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey (Tubitak) sparked an international controversy after it prevented the publication of a cover story about Charles Darwin's evolution theory in Bilim ve Teknik (Science and Technology), one of the country's leading science journals. The publication's editor-in-chief, 41-year-old Cigdem Atakuman, claims she was fired as a result of the incident.

Secular Turks are outraged and the world is watching. Did Tubitak, which publishes Bilim ve Teknik, censor a feature about the theory of evolution under pressure from the conservative Islamic-oriented AKP-led government because it couldn't be reconciled with Muslim religious beliefs?
 
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We did our part already, we extended our lending hand, as a brother to a brother would, yet they still reject the greatest gift that can be given to a human being: "knowledge." I think it's time to leave them alone.

In 30 years we are going to be building bases on the moon, while they will still be making annual pilgrimages to Mecca. Which is kind of ironic since the crescent moon is on the Turkish flag.
 
what said:
We did our part already, we extended our lending hand, as a brother to a brother would, yet they still reject the greatest gift that can be given to a human being: "knowledge." I think it's time to leave them alone.

In 30 years we are going to be building bases on the moon, while they will still be making annual pilgrimages to Mecca. Which is kind of ironic since the crescent moon is on the Turkish flag.

going on annual pilgrimages to Mecca has nothing to do with being backwards in thought. I think you should choose your words more carefully as they seem easy to offend.
 
Oerg said:
going on annual pilgrimages to Mecca has nothing to do with being backwards in thought. I think you should choose your words more carefully as they seem easy to offend.

It absolutely does have entirely to do with being backwards. How apt to quote that bumper stick that says "Sciences flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings"
 
waht said:
We did our part already, we extended our lending hand, as a brother to a brother would, yet they still reject the greatest gift that can be given to a human being: "knowledge." I think it's time to leave them alone.

In 30 years we are going to be building bases on the moon, while they will still be making annual pilgrimages to Mecca. Which is kind of ironic since the crescent moon is on the Turkish flag.

You should familiarize yourself in population structure changes. In 30 years it may be that the technology for the trip to the moon is made in the West, but it will be their flag waving in there.
 
Oerg said:
going on annual pilgrimages to Mecca has nothing to do with being backwards in thought. I think you should choose your words more carefully as they seem easy to offend.

Muslims are not backward. They are as capable of understanding science as any other human being. And Mecca is a great symbol of Islam, that every Muslim should at least once visit in their life time because of their deep faith. So by analogy, as they are visiting Mecca, they are practicing Islam which is a driving force that rejects science, (great) while the rest of the world will pick up and do wonderful things with technology. So this is rather a choice, than an offense.
 

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