SE Maths - Teaching with Proofs: Expert Tips for Secondary Education

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The discussion revolves around the teaching of mathematical proofs in secondary education and the challenges students face in learning these concepts. Participants reflect on their personal experiences with proofs during their education and express concerns about the adequacy of current teaching methods and resources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that they were never formally taught about proofs in secondary education, only encountering them in practice, which raises questions about when methods of proof became problematic.
  • Another participant shares their experience with the Pigeon-Hole Principle and the Extremal Principle, indicating that these techniques were not initially obvious and required time to assimilate.
  • Some participants express dissatisfaction with the quality of textbooks, suggesting that they lack clear explanations and sufficient exercises to support learning.
  • A participant recalls their first introduction to proofs in 8th grade geometry, stating that proofs were not revisited until college, and that the approach taken was more about imitation than understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are significant issues with how proofs are taught, particularly in secondary education. However, there is no consensus on the specific reasons for these issues or the best approaches to address them.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various personal experiences and educational backgrounds, indicating a diversity of perspectives on the introduction and teaching of proofs. There are references to specific mathematical principles and techniques, but no resolution on their effectiveness in educational contexts.

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In online maths fora we often see posts like the first post in thttp://www.mathhelpboards.com/f15/book-recommendations-proofs-1649/#post7709 from kanderson.

When I was in secondary education and then an undergraduate we were never taught about poofs, rather we saw them and produced our own. When I was first at university we were recomended Polya, but it was already too late there was lttle in "How to Solve It" that was not familiar. The only thing I learned about proof after leaving secondary education was a research technique: "If you can't prove what you want, prove what you can" and that I had to manufacture myself to resolve a crisis while writing up my thesis.

So my question is, when did picking up methods of proof become a problem (assuming it is)

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CaptainBlack said:
In online maths fora we often see posts like the first post in thttp://www.mathhelpboards.com/f15/book-recommendations-proofs-1649/#post7709 from kanderson.

When I was in secondary education and then an undergraduate we were never taught about poofs, rather we saw them and produced our own. When I was first at university we were recomended Polya, but it was already too late there was lttle in "How to Solve It" that was not familiar. The only thing I learned about proof after leaving secondary education was a research technique: "If you can't prove what you want, prove what you can" and that I had to manufacture myself to resolve a crisis while writing up my thesis.

So my question is, when did picking up methods of proof become a problem (assuming it is)

CB
Few years back when I first encountered the problem that "In a party 6 friends meet, prove that one can find 3 mutual friends or 3 mutual strangers among them" I found out that Pigeon-Hole principle lies at the heart of the solution. Although pigeon-hole principle is a pretty natural thing in itself, it was not obvious to me that the problem could be solved using PHP. Then many Olympiad problems had their solutions starting with "Consider the smallest...", and suddenly the problem became trivial. So this was another proof technique I had to assimilate-The Extremal Principle. Induction seemed to be natural in many cases but in the beginning I used to find it tricky 'on what I should apply induction'.
But now, after so many years, I am comfortable with method of proof I see.
 
Lol sorry, its not that its hard, I just think the books I get are pretty bad at explaining or don't have as much excercises.
 
kanderson said:
Lol sorry, its not that its hard, I just think the books I get are pretty bad at explaining or don't have as much excercises.

I think CB has a legitimate point and wasn't picking on you, just your thread prompted him to make his post. The first time proofs were introduced to me was in 8th grade geometry and they weren't brought up again until Linear Algebra in college. When brought they were more like "watch and repeat" forms, which doesn't lead to a deep understanding. I wish proofs were introduced in high school curriculum to some degree everywhere.
 

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