Searching for a Function with x=Slope of Tangent

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The discussion revolves around the search for a mathematical function where the x-value at any point equals the slope of the tangent at that point. Participants explore various functions and their derivatives, particularly in relation to the mathematical constant e.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the function might resemble a parabola, questioning if there exists a function where the x-value equals the slope at any point.
  • Another participant interprets this as seeking a function where dy/dx = x.
  • A proposed function, f(x) = (x^2)/2, is tested and found to satisfy the condition, as its derivative equals x.
  • Subsequent posts shift focus to discussing properties of the constant e, including its calculation and significance in mathematics.
  • Participants share various methods for approximating e, such as using limits and Taylor series, and discuss its applications in continuous compounding.
  • There are references to literature and resources for further exploration of e, including a book recommendation and a Wikipedia link.
  • The conversation touches on the cultural significance of e and pi, with mentions of debates and humorous content related to these constants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree on the function f(x) = (x^2)/2 being a solution, the broader discussion about the properties of e and its comparisons to pi introduces various perspectives without a clear consensus on all points.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of derivatives and the nature of functions without fully resolving the implications of these assumptions. Some mathematical steps and definitions remain implicit.

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Readers interested in calculus, mathematical functions, the properties of e, and the cultural context of mathematical constants may find this discussion informative.

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Okay, so I am in grade 12 calc and I was learning about e today, how the slope of the tangent at any point is also the y value at that point. What I was wondering is if there is a function that has the x value equal to the slope at any given point. I think it would look something like a parabola.

I tried to plug x in for slope to y=mx+b which results with y+x^2, but that does not have the property I am looking for. I also tried y=x^e, it doesn't work out.

Any thoughts?
 
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hi e.mathstudent! welcome to pf! :smile:
e.mathstudent said:
… I was wondering is if there is a function that has the x value equal to the slope at any given point. I think it would look something like a parabola.

you mean dy/dx = x ?

hint: what is the derivative (the slope) of a polynomial? :wink:
 
more stuff about e

does f(x)=(x^2)/2 work?
it has a derivative of x, so I am going to try that.
 
Oh cool, it works. That was a way simpler answer than I expected.
 
Are there any other cool properties about e or fun things to know?
 
e.mathstudent said:
Are there any other cool properties about e or fun things to know?

Yes. There's a whooole book about it. I happen to be reading it right now: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691141347/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I like e, perhaps more so than even pi! It's quite easy to calculate the value of e on one's own, as it is the limit as n goes to infinity of (1+1/n)^n

You can plug in large values of n and calculate to whatever degree you'd like.

You can approximate it with a taylor series.

You can use the binomial theorem.

Have a few more things that I"ll share later, but my wife is home. lol
 
One way of looking at e ( as e^1 ) is this:

Assume you have an account of D dollars at a yearly interest rate of 100% , i.e., your account

doubles every year.

Now, say you can also compound the interest , e.g., instead of getting 100% yearly, you can

get 50% after 6 months, and then compound again by 50% six months after that . Then your

have (1.5)*(1.5)*D =2.25*D dollars, instead of 2*D dollars, by compounding twice. Now, you can

compound your money, not just twice yearly, but 3-, 4- or more times. If you compounded

infinitely-often (in the limit), your money will be multiplied, in the limit, by a factor of e, meaning

you will have e*D dollars at the end of a year by doing this continuous compounding.

In general, if your interest rate is x (as a fraction ) and you compound your account

continuously, your D dollars will be worth e^x dollars at the end of the year.
 
The great e vs. pi debate (you will learn a bit, and actually quite funny).

In five parts:




 
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The closest rational approximation of e using integers below 1000 is 878/323. (Source: Eli Maor's book mentioned above).
 
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Oh, e. Such an awesome constant. Leonhard Euler is one interesting man.
 
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dkotschessaa said:
The great e vs. pi debate (you will learn a bit, and actually quite funny).

In five parts:






Those videos are epic. :wink:
 
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