Searching for Direction in a Sea of Ideas

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the search for direction in human progress and the generation of new ideas. Participants explore motivations behind human endeavors, the nature of chaos and order, and the philosophical implications of seeking truth versus falsehood. The scope includes conceptual exploration and philosophical inquiry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need for new ideas to guide humanity, suggesting current efforts lead to chaos and circularity.
  • Another participant argues that the primary motivation of humanity is the pursuit of money rather than exploration or understanding.
  • Some participants propose that humanity is pursuing multiple directions simultaneously, reflecting its diversity and expanding interests.
  • A viewpoint suggests that the main motivation should be the acquisition of better technology.
  • Concerns are raised about the stagnation of new ideas due to commercialization and patenting, which may hinder intellectual growth.
  • Philosophical questions are posed regarding the nature of truth and order, referencing Nietzsche's ideas about good and bad, and the implications of oppositional thinking.
  • One participant speculates on the relationship between chaos and order, suggesting that excessive chaos can lead to order, and vice versa, while noting the generative nature of questions in science.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of perspectives on the motivations behind human endeavors and the nature of ideas, with no clear consensus on the direction humanity should take or the implications of chaos and order.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include differing definitions of concepts like "order" and "truth," as well as unresolved philosophical questions that participants raise without reaching conclusions.

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we need new ideas,

we need to move us (the human race) toward somthing

at the moment it seems like a chaos of ideas which only help to give us more chaos.

unless some takes us in a direction we are actual going around in circles

I AM JUST MAD OR AM I RIGHT?

where do we head? towards the star's, to know our innerselfs , to the bottom of the sea?

to find GOD or a god,

what are your thoughts?
 
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what is it that we want for ourselfs as a whole isn't to go to the moon or to see what lurks in the ocean, it is money and to find any means possible to get it.
 
We are going in all those directions at once, because we are such a diverse race. We are omni directional, and the circle is expanding.
 
HUman's main motivation must be
possessing better technology.
 
Originally posted by physicskid
HUman's main motivation must be
possessing better technology.

How do you figure?
 
It would seem that one of our main focuses is to find order among the world. This can be done by understanding new ideas. Right now, this is stalgenating as new ideas are patented and used for money rather than intellectual self improvement.
 
What is better the Truth or un-Truth? As Nietzsche points out in his writings it is the answer to these kinds of questions that "new" philosophers will be trying to figure out, thus maybe we should be trying to figure out and get some "new ideas". Why is Good better than Bad. Is world order good? Why do we think it is Good? Can world order ever be Bad? Why do we think in opposites? The new "ideas" should bring about a new way of thinking. And is this Good? or Bad? and Why?
 
I may be wrong, but doesn't chaos yield order when there is too much of it, and the likewise would be true as well? I know this is true in terms of social agenda (i.e. a tyrant who wields too much control will make people riot).

I think ideas are always generated, probably because answers in science generally generate more questions.

From here, I am not sure where we head.
 

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