Second Derivative Test for Local Extrema

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the second derivative test for identifying local extrema of functions, specifically focusing on cases where the second derivative is zero. Participants explore examples that illustrate different outcomes when the second derivative test is inconclusive.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the conditions of the second derivative test, noting that if the second derivative is zero, the test fails to provide information about local extrema.
  • The same participant provides an example of a function, f(x) = x^3, where the second derivative is zero and there is neither a local maximum nor a local minimum.
  • Another participant suggests taking higher derivatives when the second derivative is zero, referencing an external source for further information.
  • Two participants provide examples for cases where the second derivative is zero but the function has a local maximum (f(x) = 1 - x^4) and a local minimum (f(x) = x^4).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the conditions of the second derivative test and provide examples illustrating different scenarios. However, there is no consensus on the necessity or effectiveness of taking higher derivatives, as this suggestion is not universally accepted among all participants.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the continuity of derivatives and the behavior of functions near critical points are implicit in the discussion. The examples provided may depend on specific definitions of local extrema.

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Suppose ##f^{\prime\prime}## is continuous on an open interval that contains x = c

1. If ##f^{\prime}(c)=0## and ##f^{\prime\prime}(c)<0##, then ##f## has local maximum at x = c.
2. If ##f^{\prime}(c)=0## and ##f^{\prime\prime}(c)>0##, then ##f## has local minimum at x = c.
3. If ##f^{\prime}(c)=0## and ##f^{\prime\prime}(c)=0##, then the test fails. The function ##f## may have a local maximum, a local minimum, or neither.

I've a little doubt in point 3. I've come up with only 1 example for the possibility when

##f^{\prime}(c)=0##, ##f^{\prime\prime}(c)=0## and ##f## has neither local maximum or local minimum.

Ex: ##f(x)=x^3##

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Please give examples for other two possibilities when

##f^{\prime}(c)=0##, ##f^{\prime\prime}(c)=0## and f has local maximum

##f^{\prime}(c)=0## , ##f^{\prime\prime}(c)=0## and f has local minimum
 
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For the first, f(x)= 1- x^4. For the second, f(x)= x^4.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
For the first, f(x)= 1- x^4. For the second, f(x)= x^4.

Thanx I get it
 

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