Second-order correction to energy in degenerate purturbation

  • Thread starter Thread starter Haorong Wu
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Correction Energy
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the second-order correction to energy in the context of degenerate perturbation theory, focusing on the treatment of degenerate eigenvectors and the implications of a non-block diagonal Hamiltonian.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply undegenerate perturbation theory to degenerate eigenvectors and questions whether this is appropriate. They present calculations for energy corrections and seek clarification on the correct application of these corrections.
  • Some participants question the validity of treating parts of the Hamiltonian separately due to its non-block diagonal nature, emphasizing the need to consider the entire Hamiltonian.
  • Another participant raises a concern about how to assign the second-order energy correction to the correct eigenstates, indicating uncertainty about the implications of the results obtained.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the implications of their calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of the Hamiltonian, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the energy corrections.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of degenerate perturbation theory and are navigating the complexities introduced by the Hamiltonian's structure. There is a noted ambiguity in how to apply the second-order corrections to the energy levels.

Haorong Wu
Messages
419
Reaction score
90
Homework Statement
If ##H^{'}## is diagonalised, could I treat the problem with non-degenerate purturbation theory?



Here is the problem.



##H_0## has two eigenvalues of ##E_1^0## and ##E_2^0##. The eigenstate of ##E_1^0## is ##\psi _1##, and the two eigenstates of ##E_2^0## are ##\psi_2## and ##\psi_3##. In the space of ##H_0##, ##H^{'}=\begin{pmatrix} 0 & b & c \\ b & -a & 0 \\ c & 0 &a \end{pmatrix}##. What is the second-order corrections to the energies?
Relevant Equations
none
Let's focus on the degenerate case.

Since in the subspace of the denegerate eigenvectors, ##H^{'}=\begin{pmatrix} -a & 0 \\ 0 &a \end{pmatrix}## is diagonal, then I treat ##\psi _2## and ##\psi _3## with the undegenerate perturbation theory. And I got
##E_2=E_2^0+\left < 2 \right | H^{'} \left |2 \right > +\frac {{\left | H^{'}_{12} \right | }^2} {E_2^0 - E_1^0} = E_2^0 -a +\frac {b^2} {E_2^0 - E_1^0}##

##E_3=E_3^0+\left < 3 \right | H^{'} \left |3 \right > +\frac {{\left | H^{'}_{13} \right | }^2} {E_3^0 - E_1^0} = E_3^0 +a +\frac {c^2} {E_2^0 - E_1^0}##

Or should I still appy the second-order correction equations for degenerate perturbation?

Such that, I got
##\begin{pmatrix} G_{22} - E_2^2 & G_{23} \\ G_{32} & G_{33} - E_2^2 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} c_1 \\ c_2 \end{pmatrix} =0##
where ##G_{22}=\frac {{\left | H^{'}_{21} \right | }^2} {E_2^0 - E_1^0}=\frac {b^2} {E_2^0-E_1^0}##, ##G_{33}=\frac {{\left | H^{'}_{31} \right | }^2} {E_2^0 - E_1^0}=\frac {c^2} {E_2^0-E_1^0}##, ##G_{23}=\frac { H^{'}_{21} H^{'}_{13} } {E_2^0 - E_1^0}=\frac {bc} {E_2^0-E_1^0}##, ##G_{32}=\frac { H^{'}_{31} H^{'}_{12} } {E_2^0 - E_1^0}=\frac {bc} {E_2^0-E_1^0}##

Solving the equation then ##E_2^2=\frac {b^2+c^2} {E_2^0-E_1^0}## or ##0##.

So ##E_2 = E_2^0 -a +\frac {b^2+c^2} {E_2^0-E_1^0}##
##E_3 = E_2^0 +a +\frac {b^2+c^2} {E_2^0-E_1^0}##

I am no sure which one is correct. A textbook reads, if the degenerate eigenvectors are splited with the first-order correction, then I should treat the corrected good states with undegenerate perturbation. Could this apply to this problem?

Thanks!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
H&#039; is not block diagonal, so you just can't take out a piece of the Hamiltonian and treat it separately. You have to treat the entire problem.
 
Dr Transport said:
H&#039; is not block diagonal, so you just can't take out a piece of the Hamiltonian and treat it separately. You have to treat the entire problem.
Thanks, Dr. Transport.

I have another problem. In the second solution, I got ##E_2^2=\frac {b^2+c^2} {E_2^0-E_1^0}## or ##0##; then how should I decide which one goes to ##E_2 = E_2^0 -a + E_2^2## and the other one goes to ##E_3 = E_3^0 +a + E_3^2##? I think that ##E_2^2=\frac {b^2+c^2} {E_2^0-E_1^0}## goes to both ##E_2## and ##E_3## is incorrect.
 
The Hamiltonian contains 3 states, you'll get three solutions, they could be degenerate. I haven't had time to work this problem independently so I can't say anything more.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
19
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K