Seeking better explanation of some quantum stats formulae

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation and understanding of specific quantum statistical formulae for counting configurations of particles, particularly focusing on distinguishable particles, fermions, and bosons. The context includes theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics and statistical mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the application of combinatorial mathematics in the context of quantum statistics as presented by Griffiths, particularly the concepts of "picking particles" and "bins".
  • Another participant provides links to Wikipedia articles that contain the same expressions and offer additional explanations related to fermionic and bosonic statistics.
  • A third participant acknowledges the helpfulness of the provided links.
  • One participant suggests that working through the expressions independently would be beneficial, noting their commonality in statistical mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of Griffiths' explanations, as some express confusion while others provide resources that clarify the topic. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the participant's understanding of the derivations.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication of missing assumptions about the participants' familiarity with combinatorial mathematics and quantum statistics, which may affect their understanding of the formulae.

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Reading Griffiths. He derives some formulas but I'm not following.
In "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics", Griffiths derives the following formulae for counting the number of configurations for N particles.

Distinguishable particles...
$$ N!\prod_{n=1}^\infty \frac {d^{N_n}_n} {N_n !} $$

Fermions...
$$ \prod_{n=1}^\infty \frac {d_n!} {N_n!(d_n-N_n)!}$$

Bosons...
$$\prod_{n=1}^\infty \frac {(N_n+d_n-1)!} {N_n!(d_n-1)!}$$

In the above, ##N_n## stands for the number of particles in the nth state and ##d_n## stands for the degeneracy of the nth state. My confusion is not with the mathematics of combinatorics but only how it is being used here. Griffiths speaks of "picking particles" and "bins" and I'm only vaguely able to follow his argument. Furthermore, I can't search for these formulae online because they are not named in the text and I have been unsuccessful with searches for "quantum statistics", "configurations", etc. Can anyone here recognize these formulae and point me to a derivation of them? Thanks.
 
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BvU said:
And found all your expressions -- with a little more explanation

Awesome. Thanks!
 
You should try working these expressions out on your own as they are very common in statistical mechanics.
 

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