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The discussion revolves around identifying patterns in seemingly random numerical sequences. Participants explore various hypotheses regarding the sequences, including potential mathematical relationships and connections to quantum numbers. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual exploration.

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  • One participant suggests a grouping method for the sequence, proposing a pattern based on relationships between numbers, but finds no matching options.
  • Another participant connects the sequence to quantum numbers associated with electron shells, stating that the maximum number of electrons corresponds to the numbers in the sequence.
  • A different participant disputes the quantum number connection, proposing an alternative pattern based on triplets of numbers and their mathematical relationships, specifically focusing on the choice A as the only reasonable option.
  • Further discussion reveals confusion over number formatting due to regional differences in decimal notation, clarifying that the intended numbers were 17 and 8.5.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about deriving a formula for the sequence, indicating a lack of sufficient information to establish a clear pattern.
  • Another participant attempts to deduce a pattern based on factors forming a Fibonacci sequence and a geometric sequence, suggesting a possible next number in the sequence.
  • A new sequence is introduced, prompting participants to analyze it and express difficulty in finding a fitting pattern.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the sequences, with some supporting the quantum number hypothesis while others reject it in favor of alternative mathematical interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct pattern or formula for the sequences presented.

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Participants note limitations in the information provided, indicating that certain assumptions or additional context may be necessary to fully understand the sequences and derive patterns.

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Just some sequences which I don't know what are the next numbers.
Given a sequence 32, 16, 4, 18, 9, 3, .... The next numbers are ....
A. 17, 8, 5
B. 17, 6
C. 17, 4
D. 16, 4
E. 14, 8

My train of thought was to group the sequence into three numbers, so we get (32, 16, 4) and (18, 9, 3).
32 is two times of 16 which is square of 4.
18 is two times of 9 which is square of 3.
Following this logic, the third number of the third group should be 2, then the second number of the third group should be 4, and the first number of the third group should be 8. Thus, the next numbers should be 8, 4. However, it's not available in the options. Do you guys have any other idea how the pattern is supposed to be?
 
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I agree with you. These are, in fact, related to the quantum numbers associated with electron shells, in reverse order.

The maximim number of electrons in each shell is 2, 8, 18 32. Ignoring spin the numbers are 1,4, 9, 16. These correspond to the first, second, third and fourth shells.
 
As far as I can tell, the sequences have nothing to do with quantum numbers or electron shells.

Of the choices given, the only one that seems reasonable to me is A., provided that what you wrote as 8, 5 was really 8,5. In the US we use a period as the separator between the integer part of a number and the fractional part, so we would write this number as 8.5. Many other countries use a comma for this purpose. Based on your IP address, you are not in the US, so perhaps in your country 8.5 would be written as 8,5.

The six numbers given appear to be in two triplets with each in the form of ##N, \frac N 2, \sqrt {\frac N 2}##.
The only choice of the five given choices that follows this pattern is A, with its two numbers being 17 and ##\frac {17} 2 = 8.5##, again under the proviso I wrote above.

The fact that choices B, C, D, and E list only two numbers is another reason for me to believe that there are only two numbers listed in choice A: 17 and 8.5.
 
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PeroK said:
I agree with you. These are, in fact, related to the quantum numbers associated with electron shells, in reverse order.

The maximim number of electrons in each shell is 2, 8, 18 32. Ignoring spin the numbers are 1,4, 9, 16. These correspond to the first, second, third and fourth shells.
Wait, so those seemingly random numbers in chemistry which made me give up on it was 2n2 all along?

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As far as I can tell, the sequences have nothing to do with quantum numbers or electron shells.

Of the choices given, the only one that seems reasonable to me is A., provided that what you wrote as 8, 5 was really 8,5. In the US we use a period as the separator between the integer part of a number and the fractional part, so we would write this number as 8.5. Many other countries use a comma for this purpose. Based on your IP address, you are not in the US, so perhaps in your country 8.5 would be written as 8,5.

The six numbers given appear to be in two triplets with each in the form of ##N, \frac N 2, \sqrt {\frac N 2}##.
The only choice of the five given choices that follows this pattern is A, with its two numbers being 17 and ##\frac {17} 2 = 8.5##, again under the proviso I wrote above.

The fact that choices B, C, D, and E list only two numbers is another reason for me to believe that there are only two numbers listed in choice A: 17 and 8.5.
After I rechecked the book this question was in, indeed there is no space after the second comma and as you guessed, I'm from a country which uses comma as decimal point, so it was indeed supposed to be 17, 8.5.

That said, what formula gives the sequence 32, 18, 17, ...?
 
Monoxdifly said:
so it was indeed supposed to be 17, 8.5.
And the next number would be ##\sqrt{8.5}##, assuming the pattern I described holds.

Monoxdifly said:
That said, what formula gives the sequence 32, 18, 17, ...?
No idea. I don't think this is enough information to be able to deduce a pattern.
 
@Mark44 this might be the most impressive deduction I have seen on this forum.
 
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Office_Shredder said:
@Mark44 this might be the most impressive deduction I have seen on this forum.
Aww, shucks!
 
Mark44 said:
And the next number would be ##\sqrt{8.5}##, assuming the pattern I described holds.

No idea. I don't think this is enough information to be able to deduce a pattern.
All I could deduce was 32 = 8 × 4, 18 = 9 × 2, and 17 = 17 × 1, with the first factors forming Fibonacci sequence and the second factors forming a geometric sequence with 0,5 rasio. Thus, the next number in the sequence would be (9 + 17) × 0.5 = 26 × 0.5 = 13.

Anyway, here's another.
3, 7, 17, 38, 84
A. 181
B. 179
C. 177
D. 173
E. 170

If the terms are only 17, 38, 84, it would be easy, which is 17 × 1, 19 × 2, 21 × 4. However, the 3 and 7 didn't fit. Any idea for this one?
 

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