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The discussion revolves around the treatment of arbitrary constants in the context of integrating separable equations. Participants explore whether expressing the constant in various forms, such as lnC, C², or e^x, affects the generality of the solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if using lnC instead of C results in any loss of generality and whether it could be convenient.
  • Another participant argues that ln(C) is still an arbitrary constant, and as long as signs are managed correctly, there is no issue with using it.
  • It is suggested that replacing C with ln C' is valid, and that this transformation can simplify expressions involving absolute values.
  • A later reply asserts that any form of constant, including C², tanC, sinC, e^x, sinhX, or coshX, can be used interchangeably without changing the outcome of the separable equation.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the statement that a constant must reduce to a number, particularly questioning the status of e^x as a constant due to its dependence on the variable x.
  • There is an ongoing inquiry about whether e^x can be considered a constant in the context of separable equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that constants can be expressed in various forms without affecting the solution, but there remains uncertainty about specific cases, particularly regarding the interpretation of e^x as a constant.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of using variable-dependent expressions like e^x as constants in the context of separable equations.

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Hello experts!

I need your point of view about the following,

Do you think is there any loss of generality if the arbitrary constant added when a separable equation is integrated is written in the form lnC rather than just C?
Do you think this would ever be convenient thing to do?
Is there any loss of generality if the integration constant is written in the form of C2? tanC? sinC? ex? sinhX? coshX?

Kindly clarify my concept in easiest way you can do. Use simple English, because my English is some weak.

Thanks experts.
 
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If C is an arbitrary (but positive) constant, then ln(C) is also an arbitrary constant. As long as you careful about the signs, there will be no problem.

Perhaps you are thinking about the situation where you integrate to get ln|y|= f(x)+ C. Yes, you could replace C with ln C' (or just use C again if there is no danger of confusion) to say that [itex]|y|= C'e^{f(x)}[/itex]. Equivalently, you could just say that taking exponentials of both sides of ln|y|= f(x)+ C to get [itex]|y|= e^{f(x)+ C}= e^Ce^{f(x)}= C'e^{f(x)}[/itex] where [itex]C'= e^C[/itex]. Of course, for C any real number, [itex]e^C> 0[/itex]. If we allow C' to be, instead, any real number, we can remove the absolute value sign.
 
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If C is an arbitrary (but positive) constant, then ln(C) is also an arbitrary constant. As long as you careful about the signs, there will be no problem.

Perhaps you are thinking about the situation where you integrate to get ln|y|= f(x)+ C. Yes, you could replace C with ln C' (or just use C again if there is no danger of confusion) to say that [itex]|y|= C'e^{f(x)}[/itex]. Equivalently, you could just say that taking exponentials of both sides of ln|y|= f(x)+ C to get [itex]|y|= e^{f(x)+ C}= e^Ce^{f(x)}= C'e^{f(x)}[/itex] where [itex]C'= e^C[/itex]. Of course, for C any real number, [itex]e^C> 0[/itex]. If we allow C' to be, instead, any real number, we can remove the absolute value sign.

I have better understood your thinking.

So the conclusion of discussion can be that any integration constant we use in place of C, either it is lnC, C2, tanC, sinC, ex, sinhX, coshX. Answer of the separable equation will be same as it is on just simple C?

Am I right??
 
A constant is a constant is a constant! It doesn't matter how you write it as long as it reduces to a number.
 
Ok.
I have fully understood that A constant is always a constant. It doesn't matter how you write it

But as you said
as long as it reduces to a number.
What does mean by above statement?

But in the constant list I have also shown that ex. What will you comment about ex? Is this can be written in the place of C or lnC, whatever I've listed?
I am asking this because I don't think so that ex is not a constant. Because it has a variable x as a superscript, contained in the separable equation.
Am I right? Can it be written as a constant too?
 

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