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The discussion revolves around the proof of the exactness of an induced sequence derived from a given exact sequence in algebraic topology. Participants explore the definitions and properties of induced sequences, particularly in the context of the exactness of mappings between algebraic structures.

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  • Some participants seek clarification on what constitutes an induced sequence and its relation to exact sequences.
  • One participant notes that the exactness of the original sequence implies specific inclusions, leading to the definition of induced mappings.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to show both the existence of an induced sequence and its exactness, suggesting that the phrasing of the problem may contribute to confusion.
  • Concerns are raised about the injectivity of the induced map from cok(a_1) to A_3 and the surjectivity of the map from A_3 to ker(a_4).
  • Participants discuss the implications of the standard isomorphism theorems in relation to induced maps.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the proof and the definitions involved. There is no consensus on the clarity of the problem statement, and multiple interpretations of the requirements for proving exactness are present.

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Participants highlight potential ambiguities in the problem's phrasing, particularly regarding the necessity of demonstrating both the existence of induced maps and their exactness. There is also mention of the need for careful consideration of the relationships between images and kernels in the context of the mappings.

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This isn't homework, it's a proof left to the reader as I self study Munkre's 'Elements of Algebraic Topology'

Prove that if the sequence
##A_1 --> A_2 --> A_3 --> A_4 --> A_5## is exact

Then so is the induced sequence:

##0 --> cok(a_1) --> A_3 --> ker(a_4) --> 0##

where ##a_1## and ##a_4## are the maps from ##A_1 --> A_2## and ##A_4 --> A_5## respectively.
Also, let ##b_i## represent the map from the i'th group in the induced sequence to the (i+1)'th

First of all, what exactly is an induced sequence? Secondly, I started trying to figure out the proof and failed. Here are Some of my thoughts:

If ##x,y \in cok(a_1)## and ##b_2(x)=b_2(y)##, wwts ##x=y##, because that will mean that ##b_2## is injective, which it must be if it's going to be exact because ##im(b_1) = 0 = ker(b_2)##.

Since ##x,y \in cok(a_1)##, there are no elements of ##A_1## that map to them in ##A_2##.

And ahhh yeah actually I'm just confused... anyone got any tips for this proof?
This means there are no elements of ##A_1## that map to ##x,y## in ##A_2##
 
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PsychonautQQ said:
This isn't homework, it's a proof left to the reader as I self study Munkre's 'Elements of Algebraic Topology'

Prove that if the sequence
##A_1 --> A_2 --> A_3 --> A_4 --> A_5## is exact

Then so is the induced sequence:

##0 --> cok(a_1) --> A_3 --> ker(a_4) --> 0##

where ##a_1## and ##a_4## are the maps from ##A_1 --> A_2## and ##A_4 --> A_5## respectively.
Also, let ##b_i## represent the map from the i'th group in the induced sequence to the (i+1)'th

First of all, what exactly is an induced sequence?
Exactness of the first sequence means especially ##\operatorname{im} a_1 \subseteq \operatorname{ker}a_2## and ##\operatorname{im}a_3\subseteq \operatorname{ker}a_4##. Therefore we get induced mappings
$$
\overline{a}_2\, : \, A_2/\operatorname{im}a_1 \longrightarrow A_3 \quad \text{ and } \quad \overline{a}_3 \, : \, A_3 \longrightarrow \operatorname{ker} a_4 \subseteq A_4
$$
As the image of ##a_1## is mapped to the kernel of ##a_2##, ##\overline{a}_2## is well-defined, as two representatives are mapped on the same element. This is meant by induced. The second mapping ##\overline{a}_3## is simply the restriction on a smaller codomain. Since ##a_3## hits only elements in the kernel of ##a_4## anyway, there is nothing else needed to be shown, we already have a mapping on ##\operatorname{ker}a_4##.
Secondly, I started trying to figure out the proof and failed. Here are Some of my thoughts:

If ##x,y \in cok(a_1)## and ##b_2(x)=b_2(y)##, wwts ##x=y##, because that will mean that ##b_2## is injective, which it must be if it's going to be exact because ##im(b_1) = 0 = ker(b_2)##.

Since ##x,y \in cok(a_1)##, there are no elements of ##A_1## that map to them in ##A_2##.

And ahhh yeah actually I'm just confused... anyone got any tips for this proof?
This means there are no elements of ##A_1## that map to ##x,y## in ##A_2##
You have to show that ##\overline{a}_2## is injective and ##\overline{a}_3## is surjective. That is ##\overline{a}_2(\overline{x}) = \overline{a}_2(\overline{y})## implies ##x \in y \circ \operatorname{im}a_1## whatever your operation ##\circ ## is, probably addition.

And every element in ##\operatorname{ker}a_4## is actually hit by ##\overline{a}_3##, i.e. for every ##y \in A_4## with ##y \in \operatorname{ker}a_4 = \{e\}## - whatever your neutral element ##e## is, probably ##e=0## - there is an ##x \in A_3## with ##a_3(x)=y##.

The second case is probably a bit easier than the first and we will also probably have to use exactness at ##A_3##, which we haven't until now, i.e. ##\operatorname{im}a_2 \subseteq \operatorname{ker}a_3\,##.
 
I think that, in a literal sense, induced maps arise from the standard isomorphism theorems in Algebra.
 
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i would quibble with the way this problem is phrased. I.e. one has to show both that there IS an induced sequence and also that it is exact. This may be part of your confusion. I.e. a map A2-->A3 always induces a map A2/ker(a2) --> A3, but one needs exactness, or at least that this is a complex, to know that the image of the previous map is contained in the kernel, so that there is an induced map on cok(a1) = A2/im(A1). the same holds at the other end to know that im(a3) is contained in ker(a4). so if so, i fault the author for sloppy language, although this author is seldom accused of that.
 

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