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The discussion revolves around a recursively defined sequence \( a_n \) with the initial condition \( a_1 = 1 \) and the recursive relation \( a_{n+1} = \frac{a_n}{2} + \frac{1}{a_n} \). Participants explore the limit of the sequence as \( n \) approaches infinity, with specific interest in determining the value of this limit, denoted as \( \alpha \), and its relation to \( \sqrt{2} \). The conversation includes aspects of mathematical reasoning and connections to Newton's method for finding roots.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to evaluate the limit of both sides of the recursive relation, suggesting that the limit will approach \( \sqrt{2} \).
  • Another participant proposes that the sequence converges to \( \sqrt{2} \) by relating it to Newton's method for finding roots of the function \( f(x) = x^2 - 2 \).
  • A later reply confirms that if the limit of \( a_n \) approaches \( \alpha \), then the limit of \( a_{n+1} \) will also approach \( \alpha \), clarifying a point of confusion.
  • One participant discusses the difference equation associated with the sequence and notes that it has two attractive fixed points at \( x = \pm \sqrt{2} \), indicating that positive initial values will lead to convergence to \( +\sqrt{2} \).
  • Another participant mentions that the problem serves as a proof of the Newtonian Method, which was recently introduced in class.
  • One participant references the historical context of methods for approximating square roots, attributing early development to the Babylonians.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of confidence regarding the limit of the sequence, with some suggesting it converges to \( \sqrt{2} \) while others explore the implications of the recursive definition without reaching a consensus. The discussion includes both supportive and exploratory viewpoints, indicating that multiple interpretations and approaches are present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the existence of the limit \( \alpha \) and its positivity, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or confirmed. The mathematical steps leading to the conclusion about the limit are not fully resolved, leaving some uncertainty regarding the convergence behavior of the sequence.

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Sorry to spam my problems all over this forum but series have me struggling somewhat. Last problem on my homework is the sequence an defined recursively by:
a1=1
and
an+1= \(\frac{a_n}{2}\) + \(\frac{1}{a_n}\)

First part was the only part i know how to do. it was to find an for n=1 through 5.
However this next part has me stumped. Assume that:
The limit as n approaches infinity = alpha > 0
Obtain the value alpha by taking the limit of both sides of (1) [(1) is the info given in the beginning].
Now I can already tell this limit is going to \(\sqrt{2}\) because it is kind of hinted to in the later parts of this problem. However I am kind of confused as to how to approach doing this limit of both sides of an+1= \(\frac{a_n}{2}\) + \(\frac{1}{a_n}\) . How would I evaluate this limit when the right side of the equation is in terms of a​n?
 
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One way (though not as directed by the problem) to demonstrate the sequence converges to $\displaystyle \sqrt{2}$ is to observe that if we begin with the function:

$\displaystyle f(x)=x^2-2=0$

which we know has the positive root $\displaystyle \sqrt{2}$ and apply Newton's method:

$\displaystyle f'(x)=2x$

$\displaystyle x_{n+1}=x_n-\frac{x_n^2-2}{2x_n}$

$\displaystyle x_{n+1}=\frac{2x_n^2-x_n^2+2}{2x_n}$

$\displaystyle x_{n+1}=\frac{x_n^2+2}{2x_n}$

$\displaystyle x_{n+1}=\frac{x_n}{2}+\frac{1}{x_n}$

For any positive initial value, the series will converge to the positive root of the defining function.
 
skatenerd said:
Sorry to spam my problems all over this forum but series have me struggling somewhat. Last problem on my homework is the sequence an defined recursively by:
a1=1
and
an+1= \(\frac{a_n}{2}\) + \(\frac{1}{a_n}\)

First part was the only part i know how to do. it was to find an for n=1 through 5.
However this next part has me stumped. Assume that:
The limit as n approaches infinity = alpha > 0
Obtain the value alpha by taking the limit of both sides of (1) [(1) is the info given in the beginning].
Now I can already tell this limit is going to \(\sqrt{2}\) because it is kind of hinted to in the later parts of this problem. However I am kind of confused as to how to approach doing this limit of both sides of an+1= \(\frac{a_n}{2}\) + \(\frac{1}{a_n}\) . How would I evaluate this limit when the right side of the equation is in terms of a​n?

If the limit \(\alpha\) exists and is non-zero then:

\[\alpha=(\alpha/2) + (1/\alpha)\]

(arrived at by taking limits of both sides of the recursion relation)

CB
 
Oh man thank you to you both. To CaptainBlack, I guess I didn't realize that seeing that if limit of n approaching infinity of an = alpha, then so will the this limit of an+1. Makes sense now! Thanks again.
 
skatenerd said:
Sorry to spam my problems all over this forum but series have me struggling somewhat. Last problem on my homework is the sequence an defined recursively by:
a1=1
and
an+1= \(\frac{a_n}{2}\) + \(\frac{1}{a_n}\)

First part was the only part i know how to do. it was to find an for n=1 through 5.
However this next part has me stumped. Assume that:
The limit as n approaches infinity = alpha > 0
Obtain the value alpha by taking the limit of both sides of (1) [(1) is the info given in the beginning].
Now I can already tell this limit is going to \(\sqrt{2}\) because it is kind of hinted to in the later parts of this problem. However I am kind of confused as to how to approach doing this limit of both sides of an+1= \(\frac{a_n}{2}\) + \(\frac{1}{a_n}\) . How would I evaluate this limit when the right side of the equation is in terms of a​n?

The solving procedure for this type of problems is illustrated in...

http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f15/difference-equation-tutorial-draft-part-i-426/

The difference equation can be written as... $\displaystyle \Delta_{n}= a_{n+1}-a_{n}= \frac{1}{a_{n}}- \frac{a_{n}}{2} = f(a_{n})$ (1)

The function f(x) has two 'attractive fixed points' in $x=\pm \sqrt{2}$ and, because for both the fixed points the theorem 4.2 is satisfied, roughly specking any initial value >0 will generate a sequence which tends to $+\sqrt{2}$ and any initial value <0 will generate a sequence which tends to $-\sqrt{2}$. An important detail in the case $a_{0}>0$ is that the sequence for any n>0 is decreasing... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 
My teacher went over this problem recently and showed that it was a funny way of doing a proof of The Newtonian Method. Seeing as it was something we had never learned about before, I guess it was just a little something our teacher threw into see if we could teach ourselves a concept on our own.
 

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