Set Theory Proof Help | Prove (A-C) U (B-C) = (A U B) - C

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The discussion revolves around proving the set equality (A-C) U (B-C) = (A U B) - C. Participants explore methods for proving this statement, including element-wise proofs and the use of terminology such as "without loss of generality." Additionally, a related proof concerning subsets is introduced, where participants discuss negating a statement about set inclusion.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting the proof by showing (A-C) U (B-C) ⊆ (A U B) - C and vice versa.
  • Another participant questions the appropriateness of using "without loss of generality" in their proof, seeking clarification on its usage.
  • A participant advises against using "without loss of generality" to maintain rigor in the proof, suggesting that all details should be included.
  • A separate proof involving the universal set and power set is introduced, where a participant expresses doubt about the truth of a statement regarding subsets and seeks help with negation.
  • Participants provide feedback on the structure and rigor of a proof presented for the original problem, suggesting changes and emphasizing the importance of covering all cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the use of "without loss of generality," with differing opinions on its appropriateness for the proof. Additionally, the second proof regarding subsets remains unresolved, as participants discuss its validity and the method of negation.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the rigor required by their instructor, which may influence their approach to the proofs. The discussion includes various assumptions about set theory that are not fully articulated.

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I need to prove the following:

(A-C) U (B-C) = (A U B) - C

I know that the union means that I have to do a proof by cases to show that these two sets are equal.

But where do I start?!

thanks
 
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Element-wise proof:

http://www.btinternet.com/~g8yoa/odl/F2_maths_Q1.htm

I'll get you started, but you should get the idea:

We want to show that (A-C) U (B-C) ⊆ (A U B) - C and (A U B) - C ⊆ (A-C) U (B-C).

Show (A-C) U (B-C) ⊆ (A U B) - C:

Fix x ∈(A-C) U (B-C). We want to arrive at x ∈(A U B) - C.

Case 1: x ∈(A-C)

Since x ∈(A-C), x ∈A and x ∉ C. Since x ∈ A and A ⊆ A U B, x ∈ A U B. Since x ∈ A U B and x ∉ C, we finally have that x ∈(A U B) - C.

Case 2:x ∈(B-C)

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Then you have to show that (A U B) - C ⊆ (A-C) U (B-C). It's very similar though.
 
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Thank you for the help! I am in the process of writing up my proof...

Is is possible to use the terminology "without loss of generality" in this proof? I know that involving that term can help me save a lot of writing...

Thanks again
 
I wouldn't do it. At your level, you probably want to leave every detail in it (and I don't know how rigorous your teacher is). You can probably see though that showing case 2 is analogous to case 1.
 
thank you for your help. Now, I am having issues with a different proof, as follows.
U = universal set , P(U) = power set of universal set

For all sets A, B, C ∈ P(U), if A ⊆ C and B ⊆ C, then A ⊆ B or B ⊆ A.

I am pretty sure the statement is false and so I have to disprove it, i.e. prove the negation. I am stuck on how to negate. My attempts are as follows...

(1) There exist sets A, B, C ∈ P(U) such that A ⊆ C or B ⊆ C and A ⊄ B and B ⊄ A.
(2) There exist sets A, B, C ∈ P(U) such that if A ⊆ C or B ⊆ C then A ⊄ B and B ⊄ A.

Would the contrapositive of the statement be easier to work with??
For all sets A, B, C ∈ P(U), if A ⊆ B or B ⊆ A then, A ⊆ C and B ⊆ C.

Thank you for your time and help!
 
Also, how does my proof look for the original post?
Prove set equality: (A-C) U (B-C) = (A U B) - C

Proof: Show (A-C) U (B-C) ⊆ (A U B) - C and (A U B) - C ⊆ (A-C) U (B-C).

Let A, B, and C be arbitrary sets. First, assume (A-C) U (B-C). Let x ∈ (A-C) U (B-C). Without loss of generality, suppose x ∈ (A-C). Since x ∈ (A-C), we have x ∈ A and x ∉ C. So, x ∈ A and by a theorem proved in class A ⊆ (A U B). Thus, x ∈ (A U B) and x ∉ C means x ∈ (A U B) - C. Therefore, (A-C) U (B-C) ⊆ (A U B) - C. For the reverse inclusion, let x ∈ (A U B) - C. Then x ∈ (A U B) and x ∉ C. Without loss of generality, suppose x ∈ A. Since x ∈ A and x ∉ C then, x ∈ (A - C). It follows that, x ∈ (A U B) - C. Hence, (A U B) - C ⊆ (A-C) U (B-C). Therefore, by definition of set equality, (A-C) U (B-C) = (A U B) - C.
 
INdeWATERS said:
Also, how does my proof look for the original post?
Prove set equality: (A-C) U (B-C) = (A U B) - C

Proof: Show (A-C) U (B-C) ⊆ (A U B) - C and (A U B) - C ⊆ (A-C) U (B-C).

Let A, B, and C be arbitrary sets. First, assume (A-C) U (B-C). Let x ∈ (A-C) U (B-C). Without loss of generality, suppose x ∈ (A-C). Since x ∈ (A-C), we have x ∈ A and x ∉ C. So, x ∈ A and by a theorem proved in class A ⊆ (A U B). Thus, x ∈ (A U B) and x ∉ C means x ∈ (A U B) - C. Therefore, (A-C) U (B-C) ⊆ (A U B) - C. For the reverse inclusion, let x ∈ (A U B) - C. Then x ∈ (A U B) and x ∉ C. Without loss of generality, suppose x ∈ A. Since x ∈ A and x ∉ C then, x ∈ (A - C). It follows that, x ∈(A-C) U (B-C). Hence, (A U B) - C ⊆ (A-C) U (B-C). Therefore, by definition of set equality, (A-C) U (B-C) = (A U B) - C.



Highlighted in red is what I think you should take out. Bolded is a change you should make. It looks like you understand what to do and put the other thing by mistake.

Also, you might want to do the other case for both sides, even if it is more writing. It depends how rigorous your teacher is, so just use good judgement here.
 

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