Set Theory| Proof if A subset B then f(A) subset f(B)

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The discussion revolves around set theory, specifically focusing on the properties of functions and their behavior with respect to subsets. The original poster presents a proof regarding the relationship between subsets and their images under a function.

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  • The original poster attempts to prove that if A is a subset of B, then the image of A under a function f is a subset of the image of B. Participants question the clarity of the proof steps, particularly the transition from one step to another and the correct use of quantifiers.

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Participants are actively engaging with the proof, providing feedback on clarity and logical flow. Some suggest additional steps to strengthen the argument, while others point out potential misunderstandings in notation and reasoning. The discussion is constructive, with various interpretations being explored.

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There are indications of confusion regarding notation and the structure of the proof, particularly in distinguishing between implications and set inclusion. Participants are also addressing the need for clearer case distinctions in the reasoning process.

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Homework Statement


f: X -> Y is a map from X to Y. And A, B subset X are random subsets of X. Proof the following:
a) if A subset B then f(A) subset f(B)

The Attempt at a Solution


(1)Take an arbitrary element x in f(A).
(2)For every x there has to be a y in A so that f(y)=x
(3)From A subset B: for every y in A, y in B
(4)So for every x in f(A) there has to be a y in f(B)
(5)So f(A) subset f(B)

I'm terrible at this, I came up with this proof but I'm wondering if my reasoning from step 3 to 4 is correct. Can someone help me?
Thanx in advance!
 
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Looks pretty good, except for what seems like a typo/misunderstanding in step 4. You have that there has to be a y in f(B), but y is in A and B, not f(B).

Also, the quantifiers in your proof are a little confusing. For instance, you've already said that x is an arbitrary element in f(A) in step 1, but then in step 2 you say "For every x...". You don't need to do that; since x is arbitrary, if you prove something about x then you prove it about every x as a consequence.

I think you have the right idea, try to think it through a little more. The way step 4 is currently written, it does not follow from step 3 nor does it imply step 5, and moreover it is false. Again, I think this is just a typo though.
 
(1)Take an arbitrary element x in f(A).
(2)For this x there has to be a y in A so that f(y)=x
(3)From A subset B: for every y in A, y in B: so (this) y in A and in B
(4)So for x in f(A), x is also in f(B)
(5)So f(A) subset f(B)

Is this better? I'm still not sure if (4) follows from (3). If it is correct though, can you tell me how I can see that clearly?
 
Yes that's better. To be more explicit, and maybe convince yourself further of the proof, you could insert a step or two between 3 and 4, such as

(3.4) y is in B, so f(y) is in f(B)
(3.6) Since f(y)=x, x is in f(B)

Hence what we have shown in steps 1 to 3.6 is that if x is in f(A), x is in f(B).

Any further modifications are really just style though.
 
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Another one to check if I'm getting it right now:

f: X -> Y is a map from X to Y. And A, B subset X are random subsets of X. Proof the following:
a) f(A union B) = f(A) union f(B)

The Attempt at a Solution


(1)Take an arbitrary element x in f(A union B).
(2)For this x there has to be a y in (A union B) so that f(y)=x
(3)y in (A union B) so y in A or y in B
(4)y in A so f(y) in f(A) and since f(y)=x: x in f(A)
(5)y in B so f(y) in f(B) and since f(y)=x: x in f(B)
(6)So x in f(A) or in f(B)
(7)So f(A union B) => f(A) union f(B)

(8)Take an arbitrary element x in f(A) union f(B).
(9)So x in f(A) or in f(B)
(10)There has to be a y in A or in B so that f(y)=x
(11)So y in (A union B)
(12)So x in f(A union B)
(13)So f(A) union f(B) => f(A union B)

(14)So f(A union B) = f(A) union f(B)
 
Looks good, just a few comments. The notation => normally means implies, which doesn't make sense in the context of sets. I assume that you mean subset, and that you have written proper notation for it.

Also, in steps 4 and 5, you may want to more explicitly indicate that you are splitting into cases.

Everything else looks good.
 

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