Sextenions (6D hypercomplex numbers)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of sextenions, a proposed 6-dimensional hypercomplex number system. Participants explore the algebraic structure, properties, and potential classification of sextenions in relation to known systems like quaternions and octonions. The conversation includes technical reasoning about multiplication tables, associativity, and division algebra properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a 6D complex number system using a Cayley table, defining specific multiplication rules and noting its non-associative nature.
  • Another participant questions the interpretation of the multiplication rules and the utility of the proposed properties.
  • Further contributions analyze the associator and provide calculations, indicating that the sextenions do not exhibit alternative properties like octonions.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of having a two-sided inverse and challenge the claim that sextenions can be classified as a division algebra.
  • There is mention of Hurwitz's theorem and its relevance to the discussion, with some participants asserting that the existence of zero-divisors would disqualify the sextenions from being a division algebra.
  • Others highlight that the dimension of division algebras over the reals must adhere to specific criteria, referencing known examples and their properties.
  • Questions arise about the normed property of the proposed algebra and whether it satisfies the necessary conditions for classification.

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Participants express differing views on the classification of sextenions as a division algebra, with some asserting that they meet the criteria while others argue against this based on the presence of zero-divisors and the implications of existing theorems. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive properties of sextenions.

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Limitations include the lack of consensus on the properties of sextenions, the dependence on specific interpretations of multiplication rules, and unresolved questions about the existence of zero-divisors.

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So I have an interest in hypercomplex numbers and Clifford Algebras and was wondering a few months ago about other hypercomplex numbers besides the celebrated Quaternions and Octonions. I tried to construct a 5D complex number system using a Cayley table but noticed that entries in rows and columns were redundant. But what about a 6D complex number system? Well I managed to come up with a proposal using a Cayley table(and I do not claim to be the true originator) and here it is:

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Now the rule to generate this Cayley table is i2=j2=k2=l2=r2=-1

And ijklr = (ij)(kl)r = -1

Now this is a non-associative algebra because (for example)

i((jk)(lr))= i(-rk) = i2 = -1
and (i(jk)(lr) = jk = -rHas anyone else seen an Algebra like this before? I googled "sextenions" and found one article from 11 years ago where it mentioned a 6D complex number system but did not present a Cayley multiplication table for it.
 
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EinsteinKreuz said:
And ijklr = (ij)(kl)r = -1

Now this is a non-associative algebra because (for example)
How do we know we are supposed to read ijklr as (ij)(kl)r?

(i(jk))(lr) = (i(-r))k = jk= -r

It is easy to come up with multiplication tables, but do you get useful properties from it?
They are not even alternative, a property octonions have.
 
mfb said:
How do we know we are supposed to read ijklr as (ij)(kl)r?

(i(jk))(lr) = (i(-r))k = jk= -r

It is easy to come up with multiplication tables, but do you get useful properties from it?
They are not even alternative, a property octonions have.
You're right that they're neither associative nor alternative. Using the associator [x,y,z] = (xy)z-x(yz), we get

[i,j,k] = (ij)k-i(jk) = (k)k-i(-r) = k2+(ir=-j) = -(1+j)
[k,j,i] = (kj)i-k(ji) = j - k(-k) = j+k2 = -(1-j)
[i,k,j] = (ik)j-i(kj) = lj - (ir) = i+j
[k,i,j] = (ki)j - k(ij) = 1-i
[j,i,k] = (ji)k-j(ik) = 1+i
[j,k,i] = (jk)i - j(ki) = -(i+j)

And ∀(a,b,c,d,e,f,g,x,y,z,u,v,w)∈ℝ1(not all zero),
let S = a +(σ = bi+cj+dk+el+fr), T = x +(τ = yi+zj+uk+vl+wr)

S⊗T(the sextenion product) =
(ax)+(ay)i+(az)j+(au)k+(av)l+(aw)r
+ (bx)i -(by)+(bz)k+(bu)l -(bv)r -(bw)j
+ (cx)j -(cy)k -(cz) -(cu)r -(cv)i+(cw)l
+ (dx)k-(dy)l+(dz)r-(du)+(dv)j+(dw)i
+ (ex)l+(ey)r+(ez)i-(eu)j-(ev)+(ew)k
+ (fx)r+(fy)j-(fz)l-(fu)i-(fv)k-(fw)

= ax + xσ + aτ -(σ⋅τ) + σ◊τ

Where σ◊τ = (dw-cv+ez-fu)i +(dv-bw+fy-eu)j +(bz-cy+ew-fv)k +(bu-dy+cw-fz)l +(dz-bv+ey-cu)r .

Now ∀S(where S is a Sextenion), we define S* = a-bi-cj-dk-el-fr, so S⊗S* = (a2)-(ab)i-(ac)j-(ad)k-(ae)l-(af)r
+ (ab)i +(b2)-(bc)k-(bd)l +(be)r +(bf)j
+ (ac)j -(cb)k -(c2) +(cd)r +(ce)i+(cf)l
+ (ad)k+(db)l-(cd)r+(d2)-(de)j-(df)i
+ (ae)l-(be)r-(ce)i+(ed)j+(e2)-(ef)k
+ (af)r-(bf)j-(cf)l+(df)i+(ef)k-(f2)

= a2+b2+c2+d2+e2+f2Thus, if we define |S|2 = a2+b2+c2+d2+e2+f2,

then ∀S = a+bi+cj+dk+el+fr, S^{-1} = \frac{S^*}{|S|^2} since
S ⊗ \frac{S^*}{|S|^2} = \frac{S^*}{|S|^2} ⊗ S = \frac{|S|^2}{|S|^2} = 1 . So the Sextenions are indeed a division algebra, which certainly is a useful property.
 
Nope--for ##S^-1## to have the form as described above, you would need ##[S*, S, x]## to vanish for all ##x##, which doesn't even hold for the basis elements.

Are you familiar with Hurwitz's theorem?
 
Come to think of it, Hurwitz's theorem isn't appropriate here. In any case, the existence of a two-sided inverse isn't strong enough to imply the division algebra property. The sedenions are an example of this.
 
suremarc said:
Come to think of it, Hurwitz's theorem isn't appropriate here. In any case, the existence of a two-sided inverse isn't strong enough to imply the division algebra property. The sedenions are an example of this.

The sedenions have zero-divisors. Haven't checked if the Sextenions do. In any case, according to the definition of a division algebra D:

∀a ∈ D & ∀(b≠0) ∈ D, ∃ Unique elements {x},{y} ∈ D such that a = bx & a = yb.

Now for a = i and b = k, i = k*r and i = -r*k so x = r and y = -r. You can check to see this holds for all pairs of basis elements. So the Sextenions are neither associative nor alternative but unlike the Sedenions they do (appear)to meet the definition of a division algebra.
And for all basis elements (i,j,k,l,r), the left and right product of each of these elements with its negative signed element = +1.
 
No division algebra has zero-divisors. This is a direct consequence of the definition for a=0 (as the elements x and y have to be unique, and x=0 and y=0 work).
 
EinsteinKreuz said:
The sedenions have zero-divisors. Haven't checked if the Sextenions do. In any case, according to the definition of a division algebra D:

∀a ∈ D & ∀(b≠0) ∈ D, ∃ Unique elements {x},{y} ∈ D such that a = bx & a = yb.

Now for a = i and b = k, i = k*r and i = -r*k so x = r and y = -r. You can check to see this holds for all pairs of basis elements. So the Sextenions are neither associative nor alternative but unlike the Sedenions they do (appear)to meet the definition of a division algebra.
And for all basis elements (i,j,k,l,r), the left and right product of each of these elements with its negative signed element = +1.
Just because the basis elements form a loop doesn't mean that the algebra's collection of units does, as well.
All of the Cayley-Dickson loops are alternative, but the algebras associated with them have zero divisors beyond the octonions.
 
It's an important theorem about division algebras, proved only in the 1950s, that all division algebras over the reals must be of dimension 1, 2, 4, or 8. (It had already been known for several decades that the dimension has to be a power of 2.)

The usual examples are those created by the Cayley-Dickson doubling construction from the reals: the reals R, the complexes C, the quaternions H, and the octonions O.

It's often erroneously claimed that these are the only division algebras over R. That's not the case. Even in dimension 2 there exist division algebras that are not isomorphic to the complexes.

But if you toss in the extra condition that the division algebra must be normed — i.e., it must possesses a norm |⋅| with the property that

|xy| = |x| |y|

for all x, y in the division algebra, then indeed R, C, H, and O are the only normed real division algebras. (Likewise if the division algebras are required to be alternative, as suggested above, these four are the only examples.)
 
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zinq said:
It's an important theorem about division algebras, proved only in the 1950s, that all division algebras over the reals must be of dimension 1, 2, 4, or 8. (It had already been known for several decades that the dimension has to be a power of 2.)

The usual examples are those created by the Cayley-Dickson doubling construction from the reals: the reals R, the complexes C, the quaternions H, and the octonions O.

It's often erroneously claimed that these are the only division algebras over R. That's not the case. Even in dimension 2 there exist division algebras that are not isomorphic to the complexes.

But if you toss in the extra condition that the division algebra must be normed — i.e., it must possesses a norm |⋅| with the property that

|xy| = |x| |y|

for all x, y in the division algebra, then indeed R, C, H, and O are the only normed real division algebras. (Likewise if the division algebras are required to be alternative, as suggested above, these four are the only examples.)
Where did the normed property come into play and have you tested to see whether or not the Algebra I proposed satisfies this property?
I will be happy to do so when I have a bit more time(as it's going to be very, very messy since each Sextenion has 6 terms! :-P)
 
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By the first theorem I quoted, any real algebra not of dimension 1, 2, 4, or 8 will necessarily have zero-divisors, i.e., two nonzero elements x, y such that

xy = 0.​

If this algebra were a normed algebra with |⋅|, we would have

|xy| = |x| |y|.​

But an element has norm 0 if and only if it is the zero element. Hence this would lead to a contradiction.
 
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