Tricomplex numbers (Trinions anyone?)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of tricomplex numbers, an extension of complex numbers, and their properties compared to quaternions and other algebraic structures. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical definitions, and the implications of non-associativity in these structures.

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  • One participant introduces tricomplex numbers defined as τ = {a + bi + cj | ∀(a,b,c)∈ℝ} and notes their closure under multiplication.
  • Another participant argues that the proposed extension is not a division ring due to the lack of unique multiplicative inverses and non-associativity.
  • A historical reference is made regarding Hamilton's search for a field extension of ℝ of degree 3, highlighting the challenges in finding such structures.
  • Participants discuss the properties of algebraic structures, questioning the existence of non-associative structures with specific properties.
  • There is mention of the existence of non-associative algebras and the potential for a 3-dimensional associative structure over ℝ.
  • One participant points out that unital ℝ-algebras of odd dimension always have zero divisors, regardless of associativity.
  • Another participant suggests that if the structure were associative, it could be viewed as a vector space over complex numbers.

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Participants express differing views on the properties and classifications of the proposed tricomplex numbers and related algebraic structures. There is no consensus on the terminology or the implications of non-associativity, indicating ongoing debate and exploration.

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Participants acknowledge limitations in their definitions and the challenges of constructing higher-dimensional algebras, particularly regarding the properties of closure, identity, and inverses.

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So what am I talking about? An extension of the complex numbers between ℂ1 and the Quaternions.

A tricomplex number can be written as τ = {a + bi + cj | ∀(a,b,c)∈ℝ } where:

i2 = j2 = i×j = -1 = -(j×i)

Thus of course, j×i = +1
What is remarkable is that such objects are closed under muliplication and produce of a tricomplex number with its conjugate, τ×τ* = (a+bi+cj)(a-bi-cj)

= a2 + b2 + c2. You can verify this yourself using the multiplication rules I listed but I will do it in a follow up post.

Now surely there's another name for such things as it seems far too likely that someone discovered them before but if so, what exactly are they called?

Using the Cayley-Dickinson construction method as well as the properties of free groups I tried to created a Cayley table for 5-dimensional complex numbers(1 real basis and 4 imaginary bases) but it didn't work since each row and each column had redundant entries unlike the Quaternion and Octonion Cayley tables.
 
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Unlike the quaternions, your suggested extension is not a division ring as it does not have a unique multiplicative inverse. For example ##ix = -1## is solved by both ##x = i## and ##x = j##. It also not associative as, for example, ##(i^2)j = -1j = -j## and ##i(ij) = i(-1) = -i##. So in short, it is missing several of the properties which make the quaternions useful.
 
An anecdote tells that Hamilton searched nearly 10 years to find a field extension of ℝ of degree 3 before he was convinced that there is none. And even the quaternions come to a prize: the commutative property.
 
Orodruin said:
Unlike the quaternions, your suggested extension is not a division ring as it does not have a unique multiplicative inverse. For example ##ix = -1## is solved by both ##x = i## and ##x = j##. It also not associative as, for example, ##(i^2)j = -1j = -j## and ##i(ij) = i(-1) = -i##. So in short, it is missing several of the properties which make the quaternions useful.
Good point. But the multiplicative identity here is +1. The equation ##ix = 1## has 2 solutions: ##x=-i##,##x=-j##. I noticed the same problem when trying to construct 5-dimensional complex numbers.

That said, what is the term for a group-like algebraic structure that has Closure, Identity, and Inverse under a binary operation but is non-associative?
 
EinsteinKreuz said:
That said, what is the term for a group-like algebraic structure that has Closure, Identity, and Inverse under a binary operation but is non-associative?
If you have two operations, an additive group plus a distributive multiplication, then it's an algebra. For "group-like" structures that are not associative there is no name, as far as I (don't) know. Even halfgroups without inverse require the associative property.

EDIT: I think there is a 3 dimensional associative structure over ℝ. Just forgot what exactly it was, ##ℝ^3## with the ×-product or so.
 
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fresh_42 said:
If you have two operations, an additive group plus a distributive multiplication, then it's an algebra.

Do you mean a ##\mathbb{Z}##-algebra?
 
micromass said:
Do you mean a ##\mathbb{Z}##-algebra?
You are right, I withheld the field as it all began with the reals. I just wanted to emphasize that there exist non associative algebras but no non associative named structures with only one binary operation I knew of.
 
fresh_42 said:
You are right, I withheld the field as it all began with the reals. I just wanted to emphasize that there exist non associative algebras but no non associative named structures with only one binary operation I knew of.

Oh, there are plenty. For example, loops: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasigroup
 
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That's very interesting. I've only met the right path of them (fig. on Wiki Link) plus algebras of all kind. Maybe I've forgotten the term. Thank you, something learned today.
 
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EinsteinKreuz said:
That said, what is the term for a group-like algebraic structure that has Closure, Identity, and Inverse under a binary operation but is non-associative?
It's worth pointing out that unital ##\mathbb{R}##-algebras of odd dimension always have zero divisors, associative or not. Consider the left-multiplication map ##L_a: x\rightarrow ax## on a unital ##\mathbb{R}##-algebra ##A## of odd dimension. Its characteristic polynomial has odd degree and therefore has a linear factor, yielding a real eigenvalue ##\lambda##. We then may obtain the zero divisor ##\lambda1_A-a##.
 
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fresh_42 said:
If you have two operations, an additive group plus a distributive multiplication, then it's an algebra. For "group-like" structures that are not associative there is no name, as far as I (don't) know. Even halfgroups without inverse require the associative property.

EDIT: I think there is a 3 dimensional associative structure over ℝ. Just forgot what exactly it was, ##ℝ^3## with the ×-product or so.
An example of a non-associative algebra under multiplication: The Octionions
 
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i guess this is clear, but if it had been associative, it would seem to be a vector space over the usual complex numbers, hence of even real vector dimension.
 

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