Ship A & B: Find Min. Speed to Intercept

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The discussion revolves around determining the minimum speed of Ship B required to intercept Ship A, given their respective speeds and directions. The problem involves concepts from kinematics and related rates, with participants exploring the conditions necessary for interception.

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Main Points Raised

  • Ship A is traveling at a constant speed of 30 km hr-1 in a direction 60 degrees east of north.
  • Ship B is positioned 20 km east of Ship A and is also traveling at a constant speed, but its direction is not specified.
  • Some participants question whether Ship B must travel north to intercept Ship A, suggesting that if it does not, the problem becomes more complex.
  • A mathematical model is presented, with equations for the positions of both ships over time, leading to conditions for interception based on the angle and speed of Ship B.
  • It is proposed that for Ship B to intercept Ship A, its speed must be greater than 15 km/hr, with further calculations suggesting a minimum speed of approximately 16.15 km/hr.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the direction of Ship B's travel, which affects the problem's complexity. There is no consensus on the direction Ship B should take, and the discussion includes competing interpretations of the problem's requirements.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the direction of Ship B, which is not provided in the original problem statement. This lack of information leads to varying assumptions and interpretations among participants.

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ship A is traveling at 30 km hr^-1 in a direction 60 degrees E of N. Ship B is 20 km east of ship A traveling at a constant speed. find the minimum speed of ship B to intercept to intercept ship A

i know there distance in the j direction must be the same but when i let 30cos60=xsiny it does not help me.
 
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markosheehan said:
Ship B is 20 km east of ship A traveling at a constant speed.

Is ship A traveling at a constant speed north?
 
joypav said:
Is ship A traveling at a constant speed north?

ship A is traveling at a constant speed of 30 km hr^-1 in a direction 60 degrees east of north
 
markosheehan said:
ship A is traveling at a constant speed of 30 km hr^-1 in a direction 60 degrees east of north

Yes, I'm sorry.
I meant is ship B traveling north. You did not indicate in what direction ship B is moving. I assume it is moving north, otherwise it wouldn't be able to intercept ship A.
If it is traveling north, this would be a simple related rates problem (Calculus 1).
 
joypav said:
Yes, I'm sorry.
I meant is ship B traveling north. You did not indicate in what direction ship B is moving. I assume it is moving north, otherwise it wouldn't be able to intercept ship A.
If it is traveling north, this would be a simple related rates problem (Calculus 1).

in the question i am not told what direction ship B is travelling. I can send you a pic of the question if you want
 
$r_A = (15\sqrt{3} \cdot t)i + (15 \cdot t)j$

$r_B = (20+v\cos{\theta} \cdot t)i + (v\sin{\theta} \cdot t) j$

$v\sin{\theta} = 15 \implies \sin{\theta} = \dfrac{15}{v} \implies v \ge 15$, however, if $v=15$ ship B will miss the intercept $\implies v > 15$

$20 + v\cos{\theta} = 15\sqrt{3} \implies \cos{\theta} = \dfrac{15\sqrt{3}-20}{v}$

$\tan{\theta} = \dfrac{\sin{\theta}}{\cos{\theta}} = \dfrac{3}{3\sqrt{3}-4}$

$\theta = \arctan\left(\dfrac{3}{3\sqrt{3}-4}\right) \approx 68.3^\circ \implies v \approx 16.15 \, km/hr$
 

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