Shockwaves and thermal energy created by a dying star

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The discussion revolves around the phenomena of shockwaves and thermal energy generated by a dying star, particularly in the context of supernova explosions. Participants explore the mechanics of supernovae, the processes leading to their occurrence, and the possibility of subsequent explosions after an initial supernova.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the shockwaves and thermal energy from a dying star could theoretically lead to multiple supernovae, questioning why this is not the case.
  • Another participant argues that a supernova results from a release of contracted energy and that once the explosion occurs, the star does not continue to contract in a way that would allow for a second supernova.
  • A detailed explanation is provided about the lifecycle of a massive star, including the formation of an iron core and the subsequent collapse leading to a supernova, emphasizing that no further fusion can occur after the initial explosion.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the relevance of the initial question, with one reflecting on the perceived silliness of their inquiry after a long delay in responses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the possibility of a second supernova occurring after the first. While some assert that a second explosion is not feasible, others initially propose the idea without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about stellar evolution and the conditions necessary for supernovae, as well as the implications of a star's contraction post-explosion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying astrophysics, particularly in the areas of stellar evolution and supernova mechanisms.

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I was wondering yesterday, the shockwaves and thermal energy created by a dying star as it contracts (if that star is big enough) can create an explosion know as a supernova. so, after the supernova exploded, the star will continue to contract and create shockwaves and thermal energy, since these two situations are so much alike, it seems to me like it is possible for a second supernova to occur after the first, but that not true... why?? please tell me =D thanks a lot
 
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I believe your brief research mislead you to think that a supernova continues to contract after it's explosion.
The explosion is caused by a release of contracted energy, hence only one. I would also reason to believe that a supernova could not be possible at a constant point of contraction because that system would resemble a black hole.
 


Dropabomb said:
I was wondering yesterday, the shockwaves and thermal energy created by a dying star as it contracts (if that star is big enough) can create an explosion know as a supernova. so, after the supernova exploded, the star will continue to contract and create shockwaves and thermal energy, since these two situations are so much alike, it seems to me like it is possible for a second supernova to occur after the first, but that not true... why?? please tell me =D thanks a lot

Here's the basic scenario. The weight of the outer layers of the star is supported by the fusion happening at its interior. If the star is large enough, this process will eventually produce Iron at the core. Iron will not fuse without a net input of energy, so a dead iron core begins to form. When this core gets massive enough, its own atomic collapses under it own weight and it contracts suddenly. This leaves a hollow behind which the upper layers of the Star fall into causing the Sun to suddenly collapse itself. This sudden collapse is enough to cause much of the remaining mass of the star to undergo fusion in one big explosion. Any remaining outer layers are blown away.

Afterward, you are left with the core remnant, and a bunch of material flying away from it. Even if the core where to continue to collapse, it has no fuel left to power another fusion explosion.
 


Thanks for the 4 years-delayed replies, imagine my surprise when I received an email alert that this thread is still alive.

Honestly I don't know why I posted that question, it seems so silly now.
 


Dropabomb said:
Thanks for the 4 years-delayed replies, imagine my surprise when I received an email alert that this thread is still alive.

Honestly I don't know why I posted that question, it seems so silly now.

Freshtictac has just signed up and seems to be scouring PF's topic bilgewater.
 


DaveC426913 said:
Freshtictac has just signed up and seems to be scouring PF's topic bilgewater.

Yeah, it's true... been living under a rock for the last four years... Sorry I didn't realize my dream until recently.
 

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