Should attempted murder and murder carry the same charges?

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The discussion centers on the legal implications of planned murder versus attempted murder, emphasizing the importance of intent and the consequences of actions. Participants argue that both successful and unsuccessful murderers should face different levels of punishment based on the outcome of their actions, with successful murderers deserving harsher penalties. The concept of intent is highlighted as a critical factor in distinguishing between murder and manslaughter, with some suggesting that reckless actions without intent to kill should not be classified as murder. The conversation also touches on the complexities of legal definitions and the challenges juries face in determining intent and culpability. Ultimately, the consensus leans towards a belief that the justice system should focus on the actual harm caused to victims rather than solely on the intentions of the perpetrators.
  • #31
Should the intent of an attack be that of murder, yet not result in it, the "penalty phase" of attempted murder is very similar to actual murder in many jurisdictions.
 
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  • #32
Slightly off-topic, there are conditions where killing another is not considered "murder"
"Justifiable homocide" is a "special circumstance" allowed by federal law as a viable defense.

This would include such matters as killing a violent home intruder, violent rapist, etc...
 
  • #33
In the case of a non-violent assault, the victims reaction must be non-lethal in most, but not all, states.
The over-riding rule, accepted in all courts, is that if the victim reasonably presumes a threat of death or great bodily harm, the victim is allowed any and all measures to stop the attack, including lethal consequence to the attacker.
 
  • #34
pallidin said:
In the case of a non-violent assault, the victims reaction must be non-lethal in most, but not all, states.
The over-riding rule, accepted in all courts, is that if the victim reasonably presumes a threat of death or great bodily harm, the victim is allowed any and all measures to stop the attack, including lethal consequence to the attacker.

the castle law. texas says i can kill some one on my land for being there w/out my permission.
 
  • #35
Darken-Sol said:
the castle law. texas says i can kill some one on my land for being there w/out my permission.
Indeed.
And that is why, I think, Pallidin made the qualification:

"In the case of a non-violent assault, the victims reaction must be non-lethal in most, but not all, states."
 

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