Should I Take the Axiomatic Set Theory Class?

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The discussion revolves around whether a participant should enroll in an Axiomatic Set Theory class, considering their background and the perceived difficulty of the subject. The conversation touches on the relevance of set theory in broader mathematical contexts, the challenges of research and publication in the field, and the necessary prerequisites for success in the course.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses skepticism about the value of taking the Axiomatic Set Theory class, suggesting it may not have practical applications in other fields and is difficult to research.
  • Another participant questions the impact of the lack of publishability in set theory on career prospects, indicating that it could be a concern for those pursuing a PhD.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of having experience in writing proofs, suggesting that prior analysis courses may indicate readiness for the set theory course.
  • Some participants note the difficulty of publishing in set theory and the rarity of job opportunities specifically requiring expertise in abstract set theory.

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Participants express differing views on the value and applicability of studying set theory, with some advocating against taking the class unless there is a strong interest in the subject, while others highlight the importance of foundational knowledge in mathematics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall merit of the course.

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Participants mention the potential disconnect between set theory and other mathematical fields, as well as the challenges associated with publishing research in this area. There is also uncertainty about the specific prerequisites needed for success in the course.

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Students considering advanced mathematics courses, particularly those interested in set theory, as well as those evaluating the relevance of various mathematical fields to their career goals.

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Hello, I am trying to figure out whether I should take this class but I am not sure if I have the requirements for it. My school has a habit of setting the requirements bar low when the class might actually be difficult and need a lot of prior knowledge on the subject.

It's called Axiomatic set theory.
Development of a system of axiomatic set theory, choice principles, induction principles, ordinal arithmetic including discussion of cancellation laws, divisibility, canonical expansions, cardinal arithmetic including connections with the axiom of choice, Hartog's theorem, Konig's theorem, properties of regular, singular and inaccessible cardinals.

I have never taken a set theory course and am familiar with these topics but am in no way sure of myself. the text being used is Y. Moschovakis, Notes on Set Theory, Second Edition, Springer, 2006.

I have done a few analysis courses and my next one will start with measure theory. I have done some complex analysis with a year of abstract algebra. and a semester of number theory. I am still young as a mathematician and am trying to see if this will be a good addition.

Thanks,
RK
 
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Set theory is pretty much in a class of its own, in that unlike the other fields, it does not have repercussions in the other fields. And it's a very difficult field to do research in. Personally, I wouldn't bother taking that class. But read around about set theory and if you feel its something maybe you'd like to study in grad school, then take the class. Otherwise, take something more useful.
 
quasar987 said:
Set theory is pretty much in a class of its own, in that unlike the other fields, it does not have repercussions in the other fields. And it's a very difficult field to do research in. Personally, I wouldn't bother taking that class. But read around about set theory and if you feel its something maybe you'd like to study in grad school, then take the class. Otherwise, take something more useful.

Could you expand on this a bit? I like most of the subjects I've encountered so far in a pure masters program (algebra,analysis,topology) and I have studied some set theory also. I have heard that it is hard to publish in this field also, as you said. If one were to study this in a Phd program would the lack of "publishability" affect ones career?
 
letmeknow said:
Could you expand on this a bit? I like most of the subjects I've encountered so far in a pure masters program (algebra,analysis,topology) and I have studied some set theory also. I have heard that it is hard to publish in this field also, as you said. If one were to study this in a Phd program would the lack of "publishability" affect ones career?

I would say the answer to your last question is "yes". But that's putting the cart before the horse. I am now retired but I don't recall a single instance in my career where our department was looking for someone with expertise in abstract set theory. Your first problem would be finding a university job if that's what you are looking for.
 
Tthe question would be do you have experience writing proofs? You say you have taken "analysis courses". Were these courses where you write proofs? If so, then you are probably ready for the set theory course.
 

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