Should You Be Concerned About Skydiving Safety?

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The discussion revolves around the safety of skydiving, particularly in relation to the historical accident record of a skydiving club. Participants explore the implications of a long history without accidents and whether this should influence perceptions of risk for first-time jumpers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a good safety record, such as no accidents in 20 years, should reduce concerns about safety.
  • Others argue that the absence of accidents could lead to a false sense of security, invoking the Gambler's fallacy to suggest that a long period without incidents does not guarantee future safety.
  • A participant questions the validity of using a 20-year record as a measure of safety, suggesting that the context of the club's history and standards may be more relevant.
  • There is a challenge regarding the interpretation of safety records, with some participants proposing that safety standards vary between clubs, affecting the reliability of such records.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of a long accident-free history, with no consensus reached on whether it should alleviate concerns about safety.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential for misconceptions regarding risk assessment based on historical data, but do not resolve the complexities surrounding safety standards and their impact on perceived risk.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals considering skydiving, those interested in risk assessment, and participants in discussions about safety records in high-risk activities.

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You are going to do skydiving at the first time in your life. A friend tells you that the skydiving club you are going to never had any accidents in the past 20 years. Do you need to worry more or less when you hear it? Why?
 
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It sounds like a good safety record. Why worry?
 
A friend of mine told me that he was really worry to hear it because if nothing has happened so far, there is higher risk that it will happen now (and even higher the next day..) And then we started argue about it.. How can i prove it is not true?
 
GT1 said:
A friend of mine told me that he was really worry to hear it because if nothing has happened so far, there is higher risk that it will happen now (and even higher the next day..)
This misconception is known as Gambler's fallacy.

Unlike in the classic example, however, skydiving clubs are not fair dice. Some clubs will have higher safety standards than others, so a long record of no accidents is a good sign that accidents will stay rare in the future.

Is 20 years a good value? I don't know. If the club exists for much more than 20 years, then this statement basically implies "but 21 years ago, there was an accident". To make the example more extreme, would you go to a club that is proud of "no accidents in the last 3 days!"?
 

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