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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the congruence relation \(2^n L_n \equiv 2 \pmod{10}\) for the Lucas sequence \(L_n\). Participants explore various approaches, including induction and binomial expansions, while clarifying definitions and properties of the Lucas and Fibonacci sequences.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the recursive definition \(L_n = L_{n-1} + L_{n-2}\) to apply induction.
  • Others question whether \(L_n\) is only defined for \(n \geq 2\) and discuss the implications of different definitions of \(L_n\).
  • A participant suggests starting from the definition \(L_n=\left( \frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n+\left( \frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n\) and using binomial expansions to show the congruence.
  • There is a discussion about the correctness of using the recursive property of \(L_n\) in the proof, with some participants expressing uncertainty about its application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and properties of the Lucas sequence, particularly regarding the base cases and the recursive relationship. The discussion remains unresolved as there is no consensus on the best approach to prove the congruence.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for a proper recursive definition of \(L_n\) to apply induction effectively. There are also discussions about the implications of different definitions and the conditions under which the congruence holds.

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Hello! (Wave)

I want to show that for each $n \geq 1$ it holds that $2^n L_n \equiv 2 \pmod{10}$.

$L_n$ is the Lucas sequence.

According to my notes,

$$L_n=\left( \frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n+\left( \frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n$$

and
$$L_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n+1},$$

where $F_n$ is the $n$-th Fibonacci number.

Could you give me a hint how we get the desired congruence? (Thinking)
 
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evinda said:
Hello! (Wave)

I want to show that for each $n \geq 1$ it holds that $2^n L_n \equiv 2 \pmod{10}$.

$L_n$ is the Lucas sequence.

According to my notes,

$$L_n=\left( \frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n+\left( \frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n$$

and
$$L_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n+1},$$

where $F_n$ is the $n$-th Fibonacci number.

Could you give me a hint how we get the desired congruence? (Thinking)

Hey evinda!

Don't we have $L_n = L_{n-1} + L_{n-2}$?
Perhaps we can apply induction? (Wondering)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Hey evinda!

Don't we have $L_n = L_{n-1} + L_{n-2}$?
Perhaps we can apply induction? (Wondering)

Since $L_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n+1}$, does it hold that $L_n$ is only defined for $n \geq 2$ ? :confused:

Also, we have that $L_2=F_1+F_3=1+F_1+F_2=3$.

For $n=2$: $2^n L_n=2^2 L_2= 4 \cdot 3=12 \equiv 2 \pmod{10}$.

Then we suppose that $2^k L_k \equiv 2 \pmod{10}$.

Then $2^{k+1} L_{k+1}=2 \cdot 2^k (L_k+L_{k+2})$.

Is it right so far? If so, how can we continue? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
Since $L_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n+1}$, does it hold that $L_n$ is only defined for $n \geq 2$ ? :confused:
Wiki says here:
The Lucas numbers may thus be defined as follows:
$$
L_n :=
\begin{cases}
2 & \text{if } n = 0; \\
1 & \text{if } n = 1; \\
L_{n-1}+L_{n-2} & \text{if } n > 1. \\
\end{cases}
$$​

Isn't that consistent with your definition?

Usually $F_0=0, F_1=1, F_2=1, F_3=2$.
It follows that $L_1=1, L_2=3$, and we can choose to define $L_0=2$. (Thinking)

evinda said:
Also, we have that $L_2=F_1+F_3=1+F_1+F_2=3$.

For $n=2$: $2^n L_n=2^2 L_2= 4 \cdot 3=12 \equiv 2 \pmod{10}$.

Then we suppose that $2^k L_k \equiv 2 \pmod{10}$.

Then $2^{k+1} L_{k+1}=2 \cdot 2^k (L_k+L_{k+2})$.

Is it right so far? If so, how can we continue?

Shouldn't that be: $2^{k+1} L_{k+1}=2 \cdot 2^k (L_{k}+L_{k-1})$ ? (Wondering)
 
Note that:
$$L_{n-1}+L_{n-2}=(F_{n-2}+F_n)+(F_{n-3}+F_{n-1})=(F_{n-3}+F_{n-2})+(F_{n-1}+F_{n})=F_{n-1}+F_{n+1}=L_n$$

And we basically need to have a proper recursive definition of $L_n$ to apply induction. (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
Hello! (Wave)

I want to show that for each $n \geq 1$ it holds that $2^n L_n \equiv 2 \pmod{10}$.

$L_n$ is the Lucas sequence.

According to my notes,

$$L_n=\left( \frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n+\left( \frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n$$

and
$$L_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n+1},$$

where $F_n$ is the $n$-th Fibonacci number.

Could you give me a hint how we get the desired congruence? (Thinking)
Another approach would be to start from the definition $L_n=\left( \frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n+\left( \frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n$. So $2^nL_n=(1+\sqrt{5})^n+(1-\sqrt{5})^n$. Now form the binomial expansions: \[\textstyle \bigl(1 + {n\choose1}\sqrt5 + {n\choose2}5 + \ldots\bigl)\ +\ \bigl(1 - {n\choose1}\sqrt5 + {n\choose2}5 + \ldots\bigl)\] When you add the two series, the first term is $2$, the odd-numbered terms (involving $\sqrt5$) all cancel, and the remaining terms are all multiples of $2$ and of $5$.
 
Opalg said:
Another approach would be to start from the definition $L_n=\left( \frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n+\left( \frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)^n$. So $2^nL_n=(1+\sqrt{5})^n+(1-\sqrt{5})^n$. Now form the binomial expansions: \[\textstyle \bigl(1 + {n\choose1}\sqrt5 + {n\choose2}5 + \ldots\bigl)\ +\ \bigl(1 - {n\choose1}\sqrt5 + {n\choose2}5 + \ldots\bigl)\] When you add the two series, the first term is $2$, the odd-numbered terms (involving $\sqrt5$) all cancel, and the remaining terms are all multiples of $2$ and of $5$.

Ah, I see... Thank you... (Smile)

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Klaas van Aarsen said:
Note that:
$$L_{n-1}+L_{n-2}=(F_{n-2}+F_n)+(F_{n-3}+F_{n-1})=(F_{n-3}+F_{n-2})+(F_{n-1}+F_{n})=F_{n-1}+F_{n+1}=L_n$$

And we basically need to have a proper recursive definition of $L_n$ to apply induction. (Thinking)

We cannot use this property because it contains both $L_{n-1}$ and $L_{n-2}$... Or am I wrong?
 
evinda said:
We cannot use this property because it contains both $L_{n-1}$ and $L_{n-2}$... Or am I wrong?

It's the proof that $L_n=L_{n-1} + L_{n-2}$.
This proof uses only the definition for the Lucas numbers in post #1, doesn't it? (Wondering)
 

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