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The discussion revolves around the properties of integers \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\) that satisfy the equation \(x^2 + 2y^2 = z^2\) under the condition that \((x,y) = 1\). Participants aim to demonstrate that \((x,z) = (y,z) = 1\), and that \(x\) is odd while \(y\) is even. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of implications related to parity and divisibility.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if \((x,z) = d > 1\), then a prime \(p\) divides both \(x\) and \(z\), leading to the conclusion that \(p\) must also divide \(2y^2\).
  • Another participant argues that if \(x\) were even, then \(z\) would also be even, which would imply both \(x\) and \(y\) are even, contradicting \((x,y) = 1\). Thus, \(x\) must be odd.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of \(p\) being odd and how it relates to \(y\) and \(z\), with one participant questioning how to deduce \(p \mid y^2\) from \(p \mid 2y^2\).
  • Participants explore the modular arithmetic implications of the equation, particularly regarding the congruences of \(x^2 + 2y^2\) modulo \(4\) and \(8\).
  • One participant seeks clarification on whether \(z^2\) being even implies \(z\) is even, which is confirmed by another participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of showing that \(x\) is odd and \(y\) is even, but there are competing views on the implications of certain assumptions, particularly regarding the divisibility and parity of \(y\) and \(z\). The discussion remains unresolved with respect to the specific deductions regarding \(p\) and its implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of certain mathematical steps, particularly in deducing contradictions from the divisibility conditions. The discussion also reflects a dependence on the assumptions made about the parity of \(x\) and \(y\).

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Hello! (Wave)

We suppose that the integers $x,y,z$ satisfy $x^2+2y^2=z^2$ and $(x,y)=1$ . I want to show that $(x,z)=(y,z)=1$, and that $x$ is odd and $y$ even.

I have tried the following:

Let $(x,z)=d>1$. Then there exists a prime number $p$ such that $p \mid d$.
Since $d \mid x$ and $d \mid z$, we get that $p \mid x$ and $p \mid z$. So $p \mid x^2$, $p \mid z^2$.
Thus $p \mid z^2-x^2=2y^2$. But then how can we deduce that $p \mid y^2$, so that we could get a contradiction? (Thinking)
 
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First show that $x$ is odd. Suppose it was even. Then $x^2+2y^2=z^2\implies z$ would be even; hence $z^2=x^2+2y^2$ would be divisible by $4$; hence $y$ would be even. (If $y$ were odd, $x^2+2y^2\equiv2\pmod4$.) Hence $x$ and $y$ would be both even, contradicting $\gcd(x,y)=1$. Thus $x$ must be odd.

Therefore the $p$ in your working must be odd (since it divides $x$, which is odd). Then $p\mid2y^2$ should imply $p\mid y^2$, giving your contradiction. Showing that $\gcd(y,z)=1$ is similar (and more straightforward).

Finally, note that $x$ odd $\implies\ x^2\equiv1\pmod8$. If $y$ were odd, then $z^2=x^2+2y^2\equiv3\pmod8$, which is impossible.
 
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Olinguito said:
First show that $x$ is odd. Suppose it was even. Then $x^2+2y^2=z^2\implies z$ would be even;



$z^2$ would be even and this would imply that $z$ is even, right? (Thinking)

Olinguito said:
(If $y$ were odd, $x^2+2y^2\equiv2\pmod4$.)

Wouldn't we have that $x^2+2y^2 \equiv 3 \pmod{4}$ ?
 
evinda said:
$z^2$ would be even and this would imply that $z$ is even, right? (Thinking)
That is right. (Smile)

evinda said:
Wouldn't we have that $x^2+2y^2 \equiv 3 \pmod{4}$ ?
No, at this juncture we are assuming $x$ is even to get a contradiction.
 
evinda said:
Hello! (Wave)

We suppose that the integers $x,y,z$ satisfy $x^2+2y^2=z^2$ and $(x,y)=1$ . I want to show that $(x,z)=(y,z)=1$, and that $x$ is odd and $y$ even.

I have tried the following:

Let $(x,z)=d>1$. Then there exists a prime number $p$ such that $p \mid d$.
Since $d \mid x$ and $d \mid z$, we get that $p \mid x$ and $p \mid z$. So $p \mid x^2$, $p \mid z^2$.

Hey evinda!

As an alternative to Olinguito's approach, let's follow your reasoning a bit further.
We also have more specifically that $p^2 \mid x^2$ and $p^2 \mid z^2$, don't we? (Wondering)

evinda said:
Thus $p \mid z^2-x^2=2y^2$. But then how can we deduce that $p \mid y^2$, so that we could get a contradiction? (Thinking)

Thus $p^2 \mid 2y^2$.
If $p=2$ we must have $p\mid y$, and otherwise we must also have that $p\mid y$, don't we? (Wondering)
 

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