Show Inequality: Explain Why $g(k) \geq \frac{3^k}{2k+1}$ in Football Matches

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The discussion revolves around the inequality \( g(k) \geq \frac{3^k}{2k+1} \) in the context of predicting outcomes of \( k \) football matches. Participants explore the implications of this inequality, the reasoning behind it, and the application of concepts such as probability and sphere packing in deriving bounds for \( g(k) \).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the problem of predicting match outcomes and seeks to understand why the inequality holds.
  • Another participant questions the division of \( 3^k \) by \( 2k+1 \) to establish a bound for \( g(k) \).
  • Concerns are raised about the sufficiency of 2 bets to guarantee being at most one prediction off, suggesting that at least 3 bets are necessary for \( k=2 \).
  • Participants discuss the probability of being at most one off, represented as \( P(\text{at most one off}) = \frac{2k+1}{3^k} \), and consider its implications for bounding \( g(k) \).
  • There is a mention of using a binomial distribution to estimate successes when placing random bets.
  • One participant introduces the sphere packing bound as a method to derive the desired inequality.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the sphere packing bound and its application to the problem.
  • A detailed explanation of the sphere packing bound is provided, involving codewords and covering radius.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of bets and the reasoning behind the inequality. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the inequality or the methods to derive it, indicating multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the number of bets needed and the nature of the outcomes, which may not be fully resolved. The application of the sphere packing bound is introduced but not universally understood among participants.

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Hello! (Wave)

Suppose that $k$ football matches are being done and a bet consists of the prediction of the result of each match, where the result can be 1 if the first group wins, 2 if the second group wins, or 0 if we have tie. So a bet is an element of $\{0,1,2 \}^k$. I want to show that $g(k) \geq \frac{3^k}{2k+1}$ where $g(k)$ is the minimum number of bets that is required so that it is sure that at least the second prize will be winned (there will be a bet with at most one wrong prediction).

Could you explain to me why the inequality holds?
 
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In total there are $3^k$ possible results, and $2k+1$ results that could be off by one prediction.
But why do we divide $3^k$ by $2k+1$ in order to get a bound for $g(k)$ ?
 
Hey evinda! (Smile)

That doesn't look quite right. (Worried)
Suppose we pick $k=2$ and suppose the actual result is unknown.
Then we'll need a minimum of 3 bets to guarantee we're at most one off.
That is, however we place 2 bets, there is always a combination left that is 2 off - we need at least 3.
But your formula suggests that 2 bets would be sufficient.

Then again, if we look at it differently, and we place a random bet, the probability of being at most one off is the number of successful combinations $2k+1$ divided by the total number of combinations $3^k$:
$$P(\text{at most one off}) = \frac{2k+1}{3^k}$$
(Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Hey evinda! (Smile)

That doesn't look quite right. (Worried)
Suppose we pick $k=2$ and suppose the actual result is unknown.
Then we'll need a minimum of 3 bets to guarantee we're at most one off.
That is, however we place 2 bets, there is always a combination left that is 2 off - we need at least 3.
But your formula suggests that 2 bets would be sufficient.

Then, there will be one possible result for the first match, and 3 for the second one... Or 3 for the first match and 1 for the second match, right?

That's why we need 3 bets? (Thinking)
I like Serena said:
Then again, if we look at it differently, and we place a random bet, the probability of being at most one off is the number of successful combinations $2k+1$ divided by the total number of combinations $3^k$:
$$P(\text{at most one off}) = \frac{2k+1}{3^k}$$
(Thinking)

Can we use this probability to get a bound for $g(k)$? If so, how?
 
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evinda said:
Then, there will be one possible result for the first match, and 3 for the second one... Or 3 for the first match and 1 for the second match, right?

That's why we need 3 bets? (Thinking)

Suppose we place the bets (0,1) and (1,2).
Then it's still possible for the actual outcome to be (2,0), meaning we don't achieve 2nd place.
We'll need a third bet to cover that.
Can we use this probability to get a bound for $g(k)$? If so, how?

If we keep placing random bets, we have a binomial distribution.
That means we can expect $np$ successes after placing $n$ random bets.
If we pick $n=\frac 1p$, we can expect $1$ success. (Thinking)
 
Using the sphere packing bound we get the desired inequality... (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
Using the sphere packing bound we get the desired inequality... (Thinking)

Erm... I'm not really familiar with the sphere packing bound. (Tmi)
Can you clarify? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Erm... I'm not really familiar with the sphere packing bound. (Tmi)
Can you clarify? (Wondering)

We consider a code that contains each possible sequences of the $k$ bets, with length $k$ ,$M$ codewords and covering radius $1$.

For each $ x \in \mathbb{F}_3^k $, the distance of any codeword ist $ c_i $ is at most $1$ (since the covering radius is 1).

So $ x$ belongs to a sphere of radius 1 , the $S_{\mathbb{F}_q}(c_i, 1) $.
So we have that $ \mathbb{F}_3^m \subset \bigcup_{i=1}^M S_{\mathbb{F}_q}(c_i,1)$ .

And then by looking at the cardinality of these sets, we get the desired bound.
 

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