Show K⊂R⊂F Fields: Algebraic Over K => R is a Field

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The discussion revolves around the properties of fields and rings, specifically examining the conditions under which a ring R, situated between two fields K and F, can be shown to be a field if F is algebraic over K. The focus is on algebraic elements and their inverses within the context of field theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests demonstrating that for each element u in R, the inverse u^{-1} must also be in R, leveraging the fact that u is algebraic over K.
  • Another participant proposes that if an element a is algebraic over K, then the set K[a] forms a field.
  • A further contribution discusses expressing a polynomial equation for u in R, indicating that the factors derived from this equation could provide insight into the existence of u^{-1} in R.
  • One participant confirms that multiplying both sides of an equation derived from the polynomial leads to a conclusion that the inverse of u is indeed in R, provided that certain conditions are met.
  • There is a note of clarification regarding a potential misunderstanding in notation, specifically about the correct expression involving -1/k_n.
  • Technical difficulties with LaTeX formatting are mentioned, indicating challenges in presenting mathematical expressions clearly.

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Participants appear to be exploring the problem collaboratively, with some agreement on the approach to showing that R is a field. However, the discussion includes various interpretations and clarifications, indicating that the resolution of the problem is still in progress and not yet settled.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific conditions under which the inverses are shown to exist, as well as potential dependencies on the definitions of algebraic elements and polynomial expressions.

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Let K and F be fields and R a ring such that K [tex]\subseteq[/tex] R [tex]\subseteq[/tex] F.
If F is algebraic over K, show R is a field.

My approach was to show that for each u [tex]\in[/tex] R, u [tex]^{-1}[/tex] [tex]\in[/tex] R.
Since u is algebraic over K, there is a polynomial over K with u as a root. The idea was to try to express u [tex]^{-1}[/tex] in terms of elements in R, but I couldn't make it happen.
Perhaps this was the wrong approach.
I would appreciate any suggestions.
 
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You could show the following: if a is algebraic over K, then K[a] is a field.

Notation: [tex]K[a]=\{P(a)~\vert~P\in K[X]\}[/tex].
 
You are on to something. For u in R write [tex]u^n+k_1u^{n-1}+...+k_n = 0[/tex] where k_i are elements of K, where this polynomial is a minimal one (such that [tex]k_n \not = 0[/tex]). Then you have [tex]u(u^{n-1}+k_1u^{n-2}+...+k_{n-1})=-k_n[/tex]. Where does the two factors on the left live, and what does it tell you about [tex]u^{-1}[/tex]?
 
Thank you Jarle. For some reason, today the latex code is producing the wrong symbols for me.
From your equation, multiplying both sides by k_n gives us
u(...)=1 and the stuff in the parenthesis is in R since all elements are products of powers of u and k's. So the inverse is in R.

Also thank you micromass.
 
symbol0 said:
Thank you Jarle. For some reason, today the latex code is producing the wrong symbols for me.
From your equation, multiplying both sides by k_n gives us
u(...)=1 and the stuff in the parenthesis is in R since all elements are products of powers of u and k's. So the inverse is in R.

Also thank you micromass.

You probably mean -1/k_n and not k_n, but that's correct.
 
symbol0 said:
Thank you Jarle. For some reason, today the latex code is producing the wrong symbols for me.
It's been doing that every day for almost a year. You need to refresh and resend after each preview, and sometimes also after saving the changes when you edit your post.
 

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