Show Spherical Symmetry of Schwarzschild Metric

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around demonstrating the spherical symmetry of the Schwarzschild metric within the context of General Relativity (GR). Participants explore the mathematical framework involved, particularly focusing on the Lie derivative and its implications for the metric's symmetry properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Schwarzschild metric and attempts to show its spherical symmetry by calculating the Lie derivative with respect to a specific vector field.
  • The participant expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations, particularly regarding the (33) component of the Lie derivative.
  • Another participant notes that the spherical symmetry is an assumption used by Schwarzschild in deriving the metric, pointing out that the angular part of the metric resembles the standard metric on a sphere, which inherently displays rotational symmetry.
  • A later reply acknowledges the importance of recognizing these connections while navigating complex algebra in learning contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations presented, as one participant corrects their earlier mistake regarding the Lie derivative formula. However, there is a shared understanding of the assumption of spherical symmetry in the context of the Schwarzschild metric.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes a correction of the formula for the Lie derivative, indicating potential limitations in the initial approach. The exploration of the metric's symmetry is dependent on the assumptions made about the angular components and their relation to rotational symmetry.

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In one of the lectures I was watching it was stated without proof that the Schwarzschild metric is spherically symmetric. I thought it would be a good exercise in getting acquainted with the machinery of GR to show this for at least one of the vector fields in the algebra. The Schwarzschild metric is given as follows

g_{00} = 1-\frac{2gm}{r}
g_{11} = - \left( 1 - \frac{2gm}{r} \right)^{-1}
g_{22} = -r^2
g_{33} = -r^2 sin \theta

and all nondiagonal components are zero. Right now I'm just trying to show that the Lie derivative vanishes with respect to the following vector field:

X=sin \phi \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} + \cot \theta \cos \phi \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}.

By the way, if my chart map is Q then the convention I'm using is t = Q^0, r=Q^1, \theta = Q^2 and \phi = Q^3.

In components the Lie derivative is given by

(\ell_X g)_{ij} = X^m \frac{\partial}{\partial x^m}(g_{ij}) - \frac{\partial X^s}{\partial x^i} g_{sj} - \frac{\partial X^s}{\partial x^j}g_{is}.

I've been able to show that all components of the Lie derivative are zero except for the (33) component. For the (33) component of the Lie derivative the only term that shows up from the first term is when m=2, and it is -2r^2 \sin \theta \cos \theta \sin \phi. For the next two terms, the only contribution will be when s=3, and the two terms will be equal so that term can be written as

-2 \frac{\partial X^3}{\partial \phi} g_{33}
2 \cot \theta \sin \phi g_{33}
-2 r^2 \cot \theta \sin \phi sin^2 \theta
-2r^2 \cos \theta \sin \theta \sin \phi

So overall I'm getting

(\ell_X g)_{ij} = -4r^2 \sin \theta \cos \theta \sin \phi. I feel like maybe I'm just dropping a negative somewhere, but I'm not seeing it. Any help figuring this out would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
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Never mind. I now see that my formula for the Lie derivative is wrong. The minuses should be pluses.
 
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Even if you solved it already, I would just point out that it should be quite clear from the beginning, as it is an assumption Schwarzschild used to derive it. The angular part of the metric is just the regular metric on a sphere - which displays rotational symmetry. It is the only part of the metric that is affected by rotations.
 
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Thank you for pointing this out. I have a tendency to miss these kind of connections and get lost in the heap of algebra, especially when learning something new.
 

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