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The problem involves demonstrating that a relation R defined on the set of integers ℤ is a partial order. The relation is defined such that aRb if b = a^r for some positive integer r. The task requires showing that R is reflexive, antisymmetric, and transitive.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the conditions under which antisymmetry holds, particularly questioning the implications of assuming a = -1 and its relationship with b.
  • Some participants explore the necessity of assuming a ≠ b to analyze the antisymmetry condition.
  • There is confusion regarding the implications of the definitions and the nature of exponents when considering negative integers.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about specific cases and assumptions related to the definitions of the relation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of certain assumptions, but there is no explicit consensus on the resolution of the confusion surrounding the relationship between a and b.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of partial orders and the specific characteristics of the relation R, particularly in the context of negative integers and the behavior of exponents.

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The problem and solution are attached as TheProblemAndSolution.jpg.

I will also copy down the problem and solution here.:
Problem:
Consider the set ℤ of integers. Define aRb by b = a^r for some positive integer r. Show that R is a partial order on ℤ, that is, show that R is (a) reflexive; (b) antisymmetric; (c) transitive.

Solution:
(a) R is reflexive since a = a^1.

(b) Suppose aRb and bRa, say b = a^r and a = b^s. Then a = (a^r)^s = a^(rs).
There are three possibilities: (i) rs = 1, (ii) a = 1, and (iii) a = -1.
If rs = 1 then r = 1 and s = 1 and so a = b. If a = 1 then b = 1^r = 1 = a, and, similarly, if b = 1 then a = 1.
Lastly, if a = –1 then b = –1 (since b ≠ 1) and a = b. In all three cases, a = b.
Thus R is antisymmetric.

(c) Suppose aRb and bRc say b = a^r and c = b^s. Then c = (a^r)^s = a^(rs) and, therefore, aRc. Hence R is transitive.

Accordingly, R is a partial order on ℤ.

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Definitions of partial order, reflexive binary relations, antisymmetric binary relations, transitive binary relations.

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't get why if a = –1, then b = –1. If I assume that b ≠ 1, then I get it, but why is b = 1 forbidden?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!
 

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If b= a "aRb= bRa" is trivial so you can assume b\ne a. Since this is the case a= 1, you may assume that b is not 1.
 
By your supposition, bRa, a = b^r for some r. This cannot be true if a = -1 and b = 1.
 
Sorry, I double-posted.
 
Orodruin, the thing is, if a ≠ b, then antisymmetry does not hold, and we can't assume that a = b for antisymmetry to hold, because we're trying to show that antisymmetry holds in the first place by showing that a = b must hold.

HallsofIvy, are you saying I should assume a ≠ b, and that I should then show that the equations don't always hold if a ≠ b?

I'm still confused about how I can say that –1 = (–1)^(positive_exponent), because positive_exponent must always be an odd integer for that to hold, but it could be an even integer too, so what do I do?
 
Sorry, I double-posted.
 
Never mind, I got it.

Because a = b^s implies that –1 = 1^s is false, b ≠ 1.

Thank you both.
 

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