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The discussion focuses on proving that the derivative of ln(x) is 1/x. Participants express concerns about notation, specifically criticizing the use of the same variable "x" in different contexts, suggesting it leads to confusion. One participant points out that the correct notation should use "t" instead of "x" in the integral expression. The conversation highlights the importance of clarity in mathematical notation to avoid misunderstandings. Overall, the emphasis is on rigorous proof and proper notation in calculus.
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Show that the derivative of $\ln(x)$ is $1/x$.
 
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My solution:

We begin by writing:

$$y=\ln(x)$$

Convert from logarithmic to exponential form:

$$x=e^y$$

Differentiating w.r.t $y$, we obtain:

$$\d{x}{y}=e^y=x\implies \d{y}{x}=\frac{1}{x}$$
 
A proof that I'm not sure if rigorous -- I just hacked my way through:
\begin{equation}
\begin{split}
\ln'(x)&=\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{\ln(x+h)-\ln(x)}{h}\\
&=\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\ln \left(1+\frac{h}{x}\right)}{h}\\
&= \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\ln'(1+\frac{h}{x})\cdot \frac{1}{x}}{1} \text{ (l'hopital)}\\
&= \frac{\ln'(1)}{x}
\end{split}
\end{equation}

To find $\ln'(1)$, we can substitute $x=1$ into the definition of the derivative, which yields $1/h \cdot [\ln(1+h)-\ln(1)]$ as $h \to 0$, applying l'hopital on $h$ gives us $1/(1+h) \to 1$ as $h \to 0$.


Oops, the derivative of $\ln x$ is so second nature that I applied it without realizing (Rofl). Let's try again:
\begin{equation}
\begin{split}
\ln'(1)&=\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{1+h}{h}\\
&= \lim_{h \to 0} \ln(1+h)^{1/h}\\
&=\ln e\\
&=1
\end{split}
\end{equation}

Therefore,
$$\ln'(x)=\frac{1}{x}$$
 
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My take on it. (Smile)

There are a number of equivalent definitions for $\ln$.

According to wiki, which is also how I originally learned it, the definition of $\ln$ is given as:
$$\ln(x)\overset{\small\text{def}}=\int_1^x \frac 1x\,dx$$
Then, by the first fundamental theorem of calculus:
$$\ln'(x)=\frac 1x$$
 
My solution

$\ln'(x)=\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{ln(x+h) - ln (x)}{h}$
$= \lim_{h \to 0}\frac{ln\frac{x+h}{x}}{h}$
$= \lim_{h \to 0} \ln(1+\frac{h}{x})^{\frac{1}{h}}$
$= \lim_{h \to 0} \ln(1+\frac{h}{x})^{\frac{\frac{x}{h}}{x}}$
$= \lim_{h \to 0} (\ln(1+\frac{h}{x})^{\frac{x}{h}})^{\frac{1}{x}}$
$= ln ( \lim_{h \to 0} (1+\frac{h}{x})^{\frac{x}{h}})^{\frac{1}{x}}$
$= ln (e^{\frac{1}{x}})$ from above and definition of $e$
$= \frac{1}{x}$
 
Does Wiki really have \int_1^x \frac{1}{x}dx?

That's just bad notation! It should be \int_1^x \frac{1}{t}dt.
Don't use the same symbol, "x", for two different things.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Does Wiki really have \int_1^x \frac{1}{x}dx?

That's just bad notation! It should be \int_1^x \frac{1}{t}dt.
Don't use the same symbol, "x", for two different things.

Actually, it doesn't. I just thought it looked prettier in the context of this problem.
 
$$\int\frac1x\,dx,\quad e^u=x,e^u\,du=dx,\,u=\ln(x)$$

$$\int\,du=u+C$$

$$\int\frac1x\,dx=\ln(x)+C$$
 

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