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The discussion revolves around the suitability of a solution to the quadratic equation $5x^2-5x-11=0$, specifically the value $x=\frac{5-7\sqrt{5}}{10}$, in the context of a physical measure represented by the expression for length, PB=$2x-1$ cm. Participants explore the implications of substituting this solution into the expression for PB and the nature of numbers that can represent physical measures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help in demonstrating that the solution $x=\frac{5-7\sqrt{5}}{10}$ is not suitable by substituting it into the expression for PB.
  • Several participants discuss what kinds of numbers can represent physical measures, suggesting that negative lengths are not suitable.
  • Another participant points out that while fractions and decimals can represent measures, a length cannot be negative, implying that the negative value derived from the quadratic solution may render it unsuitable.
  • One participant performs the substitution and simplification of PB, arriving at the expression $\frac{-7\sqrt{5}}{5}$, which is negative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a negative length is not suitable as a physical measure, but there is no consensus on the implications of the specific solution derived from the quadratic equation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of physical measures and the implications of negative values, which remain unresolved. The mathematical steps leading to the conclusion about the suitability of the solution are not fully explored.

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The solution of the quadratic equation $5x^2-5x-11=0$ is $x=\frac{5-7\sqrt{5}}{10}$

PB=$2x-1$ cm

Where do I need help

By substituting the solution $x=\frac{5-7\sqrt{5}}{10}$ in the expression above for the length of $PB$ , show that this solution is not suitable.

Many Thanks :)
 
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What kind of number cannot represent a physical measure?
 
MarkFL said:
What kind of number cannot represent a physical measure?

A fraction or a decimal :)
 
mathlearn said:
A fraction or a decimal :)

No...what's the formula for the distance between two numbers on a number line?
 
MarkFL said:
No...what's the formula for the distance between two numbers on a number line?

(Thinking) I'm sorry i don't know
 
Suppose that $p$ and $q$ are two real numbers. Then the distance $d$ between these numbers, given in units, on a real number line is:

$$d=\sqrt{(p-q)^2}=|p-q|$$

So, what is the range of values we can get for $d$?
 
MarkFL said:
Suppose that $p$ and $q$ are two real numbers. Then the distance $d$ between these numbers, given in units, on a real number line is:

$$d=\sqrt{(p-q)^2}=|p-q|$$

So, what is the range of values we can get for $d$?

My Apologies MarkFL , I don't know that either (Doh)
 
mathlearn said:
MarkFL said:
What kind of number cannot represent a physical measure?
A fraction or a decimal :)

I think we can measure 1/6 of an inch, or 0.12 cm, can't we?
But a length cannot be negative... (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
I think we can measure 1/6 of an inch, or 0.12 cm, can't we?
But a length cannot be negative... (Thinking)

Agreed (Nod) Now what is meant above is that as $x$ obtained by simplifying the quadratic equation is negative It is not suitable?...(Thinking)
 
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mathlearn said:
PB=$2x-1$ cm

By substituting the solution $x=\frac{5-7\sqrt{5}}{10}$ in the expression above for the length of $PB$ ...

After doing that, what do you find?
 
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greg1313 said:
After doing that, what do you find?

Yeah why not simplify it (Sun)

With PB=$2x-1$ given,

$2*\frac{5-7\sqrt{5}}{10}-1$

$\frac{5-7\sqrt{5}}{5}-1$

$\frac{5-7\sqrt{5}}{5}-\frac{5}{5}$

$\frac{-7\sqrt{5}}{5}$
 

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