Showing that an infinite sum converges when a sign in the denominator is flipped

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The discussion centers on the convergence of the infinite series ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{1}{n^2-n/2}##, particularly in comparison to the series ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{1}{n^2+n/2}##. Participants explore various methods to demonstrate convergence, including direct comparison tests, bounding techniques, and potential use of partial fractions.

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  • Some participants assert that ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{1}{n^2+n/2}## converges by the direct comparison test with ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{1}{n^2}##.
  • Others express uncertainty about applying the direct comparison test to ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{1}{n^2-n/2}##, noting that the ratio test is inconclusive.
  • One participant suggests bounding ##n^2 - \frac{n}{2}## to facilitate convergence analysis.
  • Another participant proposes that ##|\frac{1}{n^2-n/2}|\le \frac{2}{n^2}## could be a valid upper bound, prompting discussion on how to identify such bounds.
  • Some participants discuss the behavior of the series in terms of ##O(\frac{1}{n^2})## and suggest that minor changes do not affect convergence behavior significantly.
  • There are mentions of using partial fractions to analyze the series, leading to observations about the convergence of specific terms in the harmonic series.
  • Participants express curiosity about the implications of rescaling terms in the series and whether it affects convergence.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to demonstrate the convergence of ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{1}{n^2-n/2}##. Multiple competing views and approaches remain, with some participants agreeing on certain bounding techniques while others question their applicability.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the behavior of series and bounding techniques that may not be universally accepted or fully resolved. The applicability of certain tests and bounds is also contingent on the specific properties of the series in question.

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##\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{1}{n^2+n/2}## converges by the direct comparison test: ##\displaystyle \left|\frac{1}{n^2+n/2}\right| \le \left|\frac{1}{n^2}\right|##, and ##\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{1}{n^2} = \frac{\pi^2}{6}##.

But what if we want to show that ##\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{1}{n^2-n/2}## converges? It doesn't seem like we can use the direct comparison test anymore. Also, the ratio test is inconclusive.
 
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You can write ##n^2-\frac{n}{2}## as ##k^2 - c > m^2## and bound the sum as some finite start sequence plus ##\sum \frac{1}{m^2}\,.##
 
##|\frac{1}{n^2-n/2}|\le \frac{2}{n^2}## will do.
 
mathman said:
##|\frac{1}{n^2-n/2}|\le \frac{2}{n^2}## will do.
How did you find that? I can see why it's true, but I don't see how I'd spot it: $$n^2\ge n \implies 2n^2 - n \ge n^2 \implies 2(n^2 - n/2) \ge n^2 \implies \frac{2}{n^2} \ge \frac{1}{n^2-n/2}$$.

Basically I'm trying to make sure I know how to find upper bounds on expressions that can't obviously be bounded above. When the sign is positive is easy to see, but it doesn't seem immediate when the sign is negative.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Basically I'm trying to make sure I know how to find upper bounds on expressions that can't obviously be bounded above. When the sign is positive is easy to see, but it doesn't seem immediate when the sign is negative.
Of course I don't know what @mathman thought. But a closer look on the summands show that they go with ##O(\frac{1}{n^2})## and some minor changes cannot change this general behavior. Now ##O(\frac{1}{n^2})## means ##< c \cdot \frac{1}{n^2}## so it's very natural to simply increase ##c##. I would probably have chosen ##c=100## to avoid counting low values of ##n## and to emphasize, that it doesn't matter how big ##c## is as long as it is a constant - if I only had seen this possibility as fast.
 
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Maybe also partial fractions?
 
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##\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{1}{n^2+n/2}## converges by the direct comparison test: ##\displaystyle \left|\frac{1}{n^2+n/2}\right| \le \left|\frac{1}{n^2}\right|##, and ##\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{1}{n^2} = \frac{\pi^2}{6}##.

But what if we want to show that ##\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{1}{n^2-n/2}## converges? It doesn't seem like we can use the direct comparison test anymore. Also, the ratio test is inconclusive.

Another idea is to just bound the tails of your series (i.e. you can always ignore finitely many terms for convergence questions). So
##(n-k)^2 \lt n^2 - \frac{n}{2}##

for ##n## large enough (i.e. all ##n \geq N##) and suitable choice of natural number ##k \lt N##. You can choose exact values if you desire by expanding to get

##(n-k)^2 = n^2 - 2nk + k^2 \lt n^2 - \frac{n}{2}##
re-arranging gives
## 0\lt -k^2 + 2nk - \frac{n}{2} = -k^2 + \frac{4nk -n}{2}= -k^2 + \frac{n(4k -1)}{2} ##

qualitatively you need to recognize that ##k## is fixed (you choose it) and ##n## monotonically increases the value of the RHS, so it is easily positive (and easy to find an ##N## if you must).

now take advantage of positivity, invert
##(n-k)^2 \lt n^2 - \frac{n}{2}##
to get

##0\lt \frac{1}{n^2 - \frac{n}{2}}\lt \frac{1}{(n-k)^2}##

summing over the bound:

$$0 \lt \sum_{n\geq N} \frac{1}{n^2 - \frac{n}{2}}\leq \sum_{n\geq N} \frac{1}{(n-k)^2}= \sum_{n\geq (N-k)} \frac{1}{n^2} \leq \sum_{n \geq 1} \frac{1}{n^2} = \frac{\pi^2}{6} \lt \infty $$

where the RHS comes from recognizing that ##k## exists to downshift your summation.

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in general repeat for
##(n-k)^2 \leq \beta n^2 + \alpha n + c##
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edit: this may be close to what Fresh had in mind for post ##2##
 
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WWGD said:
Maybe also partial fractions?
Kind of weird what you get here:

## 2( \frac {2}{2n-1}- \frac {1}{n}) ## , so, since this was shown to converge, it seems we get that the sum of the odd terms in the harmonic series minus the even ones converges. But we knew this, that the alternating sum ## \Sigma (-1)^n/n ## converges.
 
WWGD said:
Kind of weird what you get here:

## 2( \frac {2}{2n-1}- \frac {1}{n}) ## , so, since this was shown to converge, it seems we get that the sum of the odd terms in the harmonic series minus the even ones converges. But we knew this, that the alternating sum ## \Sigma (-1)^n/n ## converges.
But we do not know, whether this is still true with the ##2## in the nominator of all odd indices.
 
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fresh_42 said:
But we do not know, whether this is still true with the ##2## in the nominator of all odd indices.
Why not, this is just a rescaling. If the sum is finite, then so is twice the sum., isn't it?
 
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fresh_42 said:
But we do not know, whether this is still true with the ##2## in the nominator of all odd indices.
Just rewrite:

##\Sigma 4( \frac {1}{2n-1} - \frac {1}{4n} ) ##
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
How did you find that? I can see why it's true, but I don't see how I'd spot it:
When n=1, ##\frac{1}{n^2-n/2}=2##, so ##\frac{2}{n^2}## works here and therefore for larger n.
 

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