Showing work is path independent

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The problem involves calculating the work done on a 5-kg block moved to a height of 1 m via two different paths: vertically and along an inclined plane at a 30° angle. The original poster attempts to understand why the calculated work differs for the two paths despite the expectation that it should be path independent.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations for work done along both paths, questioning the assumptions made about angles and distances. There is exploration of the relationship between the vertical height and the distance along the incline.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the geometric relationships involved in the problem. There is recognition of the need to clarify the correct distances and angles used in the calculations, but no consensus has been reached on the final interpretation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption of no friction and the requirement to calculate work done against gravity specifically. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the correct distance along the incline and the angles involved in the calculations.

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1. The problem:
A 5-kg block is moved from the ground to a height of 1 m via two different routes, vertically
and along an inclined plane with angle of 30° to the horizontal. How much work is done on
the block against gravity in each case?

Homework Equations


W=Fcosθd where θ is between the displacement and force, Fg=mg


The Attempt at a Solution


I realize the answer is that the work done is the same because it is path independent, but I don't understand why I can't show this in my calculations. Any help is greatly appreciated.

For the vertical path, I did
W=Fcosθd
W=mgcos(0)(1m)
W=(5kg)(9.8m/s^2)(1)(1m) ≈ 50 J

For the inclined path I did
W=Fcosθd where the force required to move the object along the plane is =mgsin(30°) and the angle between the displacement and force would now be 60° so
W=mgsin(30°)cos(60°)(1m) ≈12.5 J
Where I get only a fourth of the work I found above. What am I doing wrong?

(I assumed there was no friction because the question only asks about the work done against gravity)
 
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hellocello said:
For the inclined path I did
W=Fcosθd where the force required to move the object along the plane is =mgsin(30°) and the angle between the displacement and force would now be 60° so
W=mgsin(30°)cos(60°)(1m) ≈12.5 J

For the inclined path, the displacement is not 1 m vertically. It's a certain distance along the incline.
 
Thank you! However wouldn't that distance be 1/tan(30) ? Because then the value I get is around 20...
 
hellocello said:
However wouldn't that distance be 1/tan(30) ?

That's not quite right. Make a right triangle with one side horizontal and the other vertical. Let the hypotenuse represent the distance along the incline, and the vertical side represent the height of 1 m.
 
Oops, it should be 1/sin(30), right? But then I'm still left with a cos(60) that doesn't cancel
 
Oh it should be cos(0)- I forgot about that when you corrected my displacement. Thanks so much for your help!
 
You're welcome. Good work!
 

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