MHB Sigma Algebra: Seeking Help on Closure & Countable Unions

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The discussion centers on proving properties of sigma algebras, specifically closure under complementation and countable unions. The user is attempting to demonstrate that if a set C is in the sigma algebra G, then its complement C^c also belongs to G. They have established that the expression f^{-1}(Y) - f^{-1}(B) equals f^{-1}(Y - B) and are seeking clarification on this equivalence. The conversation emphasizes the importance of showing both inclusions to prove set equality and suggests using visual aids for better understanding. The thread highlights the complexity of sigma algebra properties and the collaborative effort to clarify these concepts.
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Hi everyone, didn't know where to post question on sigma algebra so here it is:-
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What I've tried till now:
Let $$C\in G$$
1) For $$C=X, f^{-1}(B)=X$$ which will be true for $$B=Y$$ (by definition)
2) For closure under complementation, to show $$C^{c}\in G. So, C^{c}=X\setminus C=X\setminus f^{-1}(B)=f^{-1}(Y)\setminus f^{-1}(B).$$

Can someone suggest how to proceed from here in order to show that the set G is closed under complementation? And how to prove the third property of Countable unions of subsets of X lying in G?
Thanks
 

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Arenholt said:
Hi everyone, didn't know where to post question on sigma algebra so here it is:-What I've tried till now:
Let $$C\in G$$
1) For $$C=X, f^{-1}(B)=X$$ which will be true for $$B=Y$$ (by definition)
2) For closure under complementation, to show $$C^{c}\in G. So, C^{c}=X\setminus C=X\setminus f^{-1}(B)=f^{-1}(Y)\setminus f^{-1}(B).$$

Can someone suggest how to proceed from here in order to show that the set G is closed under complementation? And how to prove the third property of Countable unions of subsets of X lying in G?
Thanks
Note that $f^{-1}(Y)\setminus f^{-1}(B)=f^{-1}(Y\setminus B)$. Now since $B$ is in the sigma algebra, so is $Y\setminus B$.
 
caffeinemachine said:
Note that $f^{-1}(Y)\setminus f^{-1}(B)=f^{-1}(Y\setminus B)$. Now since $B$ is in the sigma algebra, so is $Y\setminus B$.
This is exactly what I am trying to wrap my head around. I thought of this but how is $f^{-1}(Y)\setminus f^{-1}(B)$ equal to $f^{-1}(Y\setminus B)$.
 
Arenholt said:
This is exactly what I am trying to wrap my head around. I thought of this but how is $f^{-1}(Y)\setminus f^{-1}(B)$ equal to $f^{-1}(Y\setminus B)$.
To show that a set $A$ is equal to a set $B$, we show that $A\subseteq B$ and $B\subseteq A$.

Now we want to show $f^{-1}(Y)-f^{-1}(B)=f^{-1}(Y-B)$.

Step 1: We show $f^{-1}(Y)-f^{-1}(B)\subseteq f^{-1}(Y-B)$. To do this, pick $x\in f^{-1}(Y)-f^{-1}(B)$ arbitrarily. All we need to do is show that $x\in f^{-1}(Y-B)$. Now saying that $x\in f^{-1}(Y)-f^{-1}(B)$ is same as saying that $x\notin f^{-1}(B)$ since $X=f^{-1}(Y)$. This in turn is equivalent to saying that $f(x)\notin B$. Thus $f(x)\in Y-B$. This means the same thing as $x\in f^{-1}(Y-B)$ and we are done with step 1.

Can you do step 2, that is, show the reverse containment?

It is useful to draw some pictures to get an intuition about these things. Make a blob denoting $Y$ and a subblob denoting B etc.
 
We all know the definition of n-dimensional topological manifold uses open sets and homeomorphisms onto the image as open set in ##\mathbb R^n##. It should be possible to reformulate the definition of n-dimensional topological manifold using closed sets on the manifold's topology and on ##\mathbb R^n## ? I'm positive for this. Perhaps the definition of smooth manifold would be problematic, though.

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