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The discussion revolves around the definition of a ##\sigma##-algebra as presented in Sheldon Axler's book "Measure, Integration & Real Analysis," specifically focusing on whether the set of all subsets of ##\mathbb{R}## qualifies as a ##\sigma##-algebra and the implications of this classification for defining Lebesgue measure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on which aspect of the definition of a ##\sigma##-algebra is violated by the set of all subsets of ##\mathbb{R}##, as suggested by Axler.
  • Another participant asserts that the collection of all subsets of ##\mathbb{R}## is indeed a ##\sigma##-algebra but notes that Lebesgue measure cannot be defined on it without losing desirable properties like countable additivity.
  • A further reply emphasizes that while the set of all subsets is a ##\sigma##-algebra, the challenge lies in extending the notion of length to all these subsets.
  • Participants express appreciation for the clarifications provided by others in the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding Axler's implication about the set of all subsets of ##\mathbb{R}##. Some participants believe it is a ##\sigma##-algebra, while others interpret Axler's text as suggesting otherwise. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications for Lebesgue measure.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the nuances in defining a ##\sigma##-algebra and the conditions under which Lebesgue measure can be applied, indicating potential limitations in understanding the definitions and their applications.

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I need help in order to fully understand the implications of Axler's definition of a ##\sigma##-algebra ... ...
I am reading Sheldon Axler's book: Measure, Integration & Real Analysis ... and I am focused on Chapter 2: Measures ...

I need help in order to fully understand the implications of Axler's definition of a ##\sigma##-algebra ... ...

The relevant text reads as follows:

Axler - Sigma Algebres ... Page 26 .png


Now in the above text Axler implies that the set of all subsets of ##\mathbb{R}## is not a ##\sigma##-algebra ... ...

... BUT ... which of the three bullet points of the definition of a ##\sigma##-algebra is violated by the set of all subsets of ##\mathbb{R}## ... and how/why is it violated ...
Help will be much appreciated ...

Peter
 
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Math Amateur said:
Summary:: I need help in order to fully understand the implications of Axler's definition of a ##\sigma##-algebra ... ...

I am reading Sheldon Axler's book: Measure, Integration & Real Analysis ... and I am focused on Chapter 2: Measures ...

I need help in order to fully understand the implications of Axler's definition of a ##\sigma##-algebra ... ...

The relevant text reads as follows:

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Now in the above text Axler implies that the set of all subsets of ##\mathbb{R}## is not a ##\sigma##-algebra ... ...

... BUT ... which of the three bullet points of the definition of a ##\sigma##-algebra is violated by the set of all subsets of ##\mathbb{R}## ... and how/why is it violated ...
Help will be much appreciated ...

Peter

Axler does not say that. The collection of all subsets is a ##\sigma##-algebra (trivially). Axler says that we cannot define Lebesgue-measure on this ##\sigma##-algebra and that's why we define Lebesgue measure on Borel sets.
 
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Now in the above text Axler implies that the set of all subsets of ##\mathbb{R}## is not a ##\sigma##-algebra
No, he doesn't. The set of all subsets of ##\mathbb{R}## is obviously a ##\sigma##-algebra. It's just that we can't extend the notion of length on all the subsets of ##\mathbb{R}## without violating some highly desirable properties we want it to have (like countable additivity). So we force ourselves to give up on the idea of using all the subsets of ##\mathbb{R}## as the domain of our measure, but we still want this set of subsets to satisfy the properties in the definition of ##\sigma##-algebra.
 
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Thanks to Dragon27 and Math_QED for clarifying the issue ...

Much appreciate your help ...

Peter
 

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