Simple coordinate geomety problem

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The discussion revolves around a coordinate geometry problem involving the determination of lines passing through a specific point and maintaining a fixed distance from another point. Participants explore the mathematical approach to derive the equations of these lines, including considerations of slopes and potential solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an approach to find the equation of a line through the point (7,17) with a distance of 6 units from the point (1,9), leading to a derived equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial approach missed potential solutions by not considering both positive and negative cases when squaring an equation.
  • There is a mention of a second line with an undefined slope (vertical line) that should also be considered, specifically the line x = 7.
  • A later reply introduces a different perspective by suggesting a circular equation and hints at the possibility of multiple intersections with a function.

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Participants express differing views on the completeness of the initial solution, with some asserting that additional solutions exist while others clarify the implications of the mathematical steps taken. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the full set of solutions.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the handling of the square root in the equations, as well as the treatment of vertical lines and their slopes. The participants also express uncertainty about the implications of their mathematical manipulations.

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I'm not sure where to post this. So I'm posting in the General Math section.This is a simple coordinate geometry problem: We have to find the equation of line(s) passing through the point (7,17) and having a distance of 6 units from the point(1,9).

Now I'm posting my approach:
the equation of line passing through(7,17) and having slope m is
y-17=m(x-7)
or, mx-y-7m-17=0
now the line have a distance of 6 units from point(1,9).
so [itex]\frac{m-9-7m+17}{\sqrt{m^2 +1}}[/itex]=[itex]\pm[/itex]6
or,(6m-8)2 =36(m2 +1)
or, m=7/24
so the equation of line becomes 7x-24y+359 =0
This way we get only line.But if you draw it in a graph paper,you'll see that there should be another line which is x-7=0 which is parallel to the y-axis.(draw a circle of radius 6 from (1,9) and then draw tangent from (7,17) to the circle).
I think we can't get the second one because it has undefined slope.
My question is how can I get the second line without plotting in graph?
 
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hi silent_hunter! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)

you lost half the solutions when you took the square-root of this line …
silent_hunter said:
or,(6m-8)^2 =36(m^2 +1)
or, m=7/24

you should have put the intermediate step (6m-8) = ±36(m2 +1) :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
you should have put the intermediate step (6m-8) = ±36(m2 +1) :wink:

thanks for your reply :smile:
(6m-8)2 =36(m2 +1)
in that step I squared both sides of the equation ,so the ± sign should go away.
 
sorry, i got that wrong :redface:

this is where you missed a solution …
silent_hunter said:
the equation of line passing through(7,17) and having slope m is
y-17=m(x-7)
or, mx-y-7m=17=0

… you missed out m = ∞ ! :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
sorry, i got that wrong :redface:

this is where you missed a solution …
… you missed out m = ∞ ! :smile:

sorry I made a typing mistake. :blushing:
Its mx-y-7m-17=0 but I didn't get what you said. Would you please elaborate?Thanks.
 
one of the two lines is x = 7, isn't it?

(with slope ∞)

that doesn't come up for any m in mx-y-7m-17=0 :wink:
 
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if you think, (y-9)^2+(x-1)^2=36 then

if you think of it as (y-9)^2 + (x-1)^2 = 36

then:

y=cos(3(x-1))+15.91 or so should hit twice.

I'll bet some kind of absolute value function would hit three times.
 

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