Simple differential equation substitution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a specific second-order differential equation and the method of substitution, particularly the substitution of the form y = xz when a known solution exists. Participants explore the reasoning behind this substitution and alternative methods for solving the equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of the substitution y = xz given that y = x is a solution to the homogeneous equation.
  • Another participant clarifies that while the substitution is not mandatory, it can simplify the problem and that any function z can be derived from y by z = y/x.
  • It is noted that if y = f(x)z, then the derivatives can be expressed in terms of f(x) and z, leading to a lower-order differential equation for z.
  • A participant suggests that if y = x^2 is a solution, then trying y = x^2z would be appropriate, introducing the concept of "reduction of order."
  • Another viewpoint is presented that solving using a power series might be easier than finding substitutions, emphasizing personal preference for power series methods.
  • One participant mentions the method of variation of constants as an alternative approach to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the necessity and effectiveness of the substitution method versus using power series. There is no consensus on the best approach, as multiple methods are discussed without agreement on a single preferred method.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of solving differential equations and the various methods available, including substitution and power series, without resolving which method is superior in all cases.

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Hi!

I am looking through some solved exercises. One of them is the following:

Solve the equation: x^2 y'' + (x^2 - 3x)y' + (3-x)y = x^4
knowing that y=x is a solution of the homogeneous equation.

The professor then solves it by doing the following substitution: y=xz.
Then he calculates y' and y'', substitutes, etc.

What I do not understand is, how do you know, from the fact that y=x is a solution to the homogeneous equation, that you have to do that substitution y=xz?
 
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What is z?
 
Jamp said:
Hi!

I am looking through some solved exercises. One of them is the following:

Solve the equation: x^2 y'' + (x^2 - 3x)y' + (3-x)y = x^4
knowing that y=x is a solution of the homogeneous equation.

The professor then solves it by doing the following substitution: y=xz.
Then he calculates y' and y'', substitutes, etc.

What I do not understand is, how do you know, from the fact that y=x is a solution to the homogeneous equation, that you have to do that substitution y=xz?
You don't "know" that- you don't have to do that substitution- there are many ways to solve a differential equation. However, it is true that what ever function the correct solution y is, there exist a function z such that y= xz: z= y/x, of course.

The point is this: if y= f(x)z (for ANY function f(x) that satisfies the equation), then y'= f'(x)z+ f(x)z', y"= f"(x)z+ 2f'(x)z'+ f(x)z". I've used the product rule twice here. Notice that, in the terms that involve only z, not z' or z", I have differentiated only the f(x) term. It is exactly as if z were a constant. Since f(x) satisfies this linear homogenous equation so does any constant times f(x): the terms of involving only z wil all cancel out leaving a differential equation for z' and higher derivatives. Now let u(x)= z' and you have a differential equation for u of lower order.

To repeat: you don't have to do that substitution- but it can be done and has a good chance of simplifying the problem so it is worth trying!
 
I see.
So if I were told that y=x^2 was a solution to the homogeneous eq, then I should try y=x^2z?
 
Yes, exactly. That's known as "reduction of order": x^2 is a solution to an nth order linear homogeneous diff eq, then y= x^2z will be a solution for some z satisfying an n-1 order equation. It's very similar to reducing the degree of a polynomial by dividing by x-a if you already know that a is a solution.
 
Just solve it using a power series. It's far easier to do that then to try and find substitutions every single time.
 
rbzima said:
Just solve it using a power series. It's far easier to do that then to try and find substitutions every single time.
What "substitutions" are you talking about? The question here was about using the fact that you know one solution to a differential equation to reduce the order.
 
I'm saying that if you know y = xz, then for every variable in the equation you are trying to substitute to reduce to a single variable. While that is helpful, it doesn't always yield a solution to the equation. Therefore, in instances when you don't know y = xz, it would be wise to solve using a power series.

Perhaps its just the fact that I love power series that it would come more natural for me to do so in that manner.
 
Jamp said:
Hi!

I am looking through some solved exercises. One of them is the following:

Solve the equation: x^2 y'' + (x^2 - 3x)y' + (3-x)y = x^4
knowing that y=x is a solution of the homogeneous equation.

The professor then solves it by doing the following substitution: y=xz.
Then he calculates y' and y'', substitutes, etc.

What I do not understand is, how do you know, from the fact that y=x is a solution to the homogeneous equation, that you have to do that substitution y=xz?

The method of variation of constants. [itex]y_{p}(x)=C(x) y_{o}(x)=C(x) x=z(x)x=zx[/itex].
 

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