Simple explaination of pertibation theory

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The discussion revolves around perturbation theory, particularly its application in predicting energy levels in quantum systems, such as the ground state of helium. Participants seek clarification and a deeper understanding of the concept without delving into complex mathematics.

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  • One participant expresses a basic understanding of perturbation theory as a method for making small corrections to the Hamiltonian to improve energy predictions.
  • Another participant references a textbook that covers the topic in detail, suggesting it as a resource for further reading.
  • A different participant elaborates on perturbation theory, explaining that small changes in the Hamiltonian can lead to significant new behaviors, using the example of spin states in a magnetic field to illustrate the concept.
  • This participant also introduces the mathematical formulation of perturbation theory, emphasizing the conditions under which it is applied.
  • One participant expresses appreciation for the explanation provided, indicating it has helped them understand the topic better.
  • Another participant critiques the effectiveness of first-order perturbation theory for helium, suggesting that the variational method is often preferred for such cases.

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Participants generally share an interest in understanding perturbation theory, but there is disagreement regarding its effectiveness for specific applications, such as helium, with some advocating for alternative methods like the variational method.

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Some assumptions regarding the applicability of perturbation theory and its limitations in certain scenarios, such as the case of helium, remain unresolved. The discussion highlights the complexity of the topic and the varying perspectives on its utility.

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Hi,

I understand pertibation theory is very important in predicting the energy of say, the ground state of helium. My qualitative understanding goes as far as it makes small corrections to the hamiltonian to get a more accurate result...

Can anyone expand on this for me? Or make it clearer? No major math necessary id be happy with just a simple explanation!
 
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Found something interesting...for the record 'Quantum physics of atoms, molecules, solids, nuclei and particles by Eisberg and Resnick covers it nicely in the appendix (J)
 
Well, perturbation theory is mainly not only the tool to predict small corrections. The thing is that even small changes in the hamiltonian (which are usually connected with some new physics) can result in dramatically new behaviour. Imagine that we have two quantum states with the same energy. For example, we consider no effects connected with spins. Thus these states are up and down states. Then we want to introduce some spin-effect so that up state can't be considered on equal foot with down-state. (The simplest example is when we apply a magnetic field). Then the energy of one state decreases and, on the contrary, the energy of the other state increases. Therefore perturbation theory may help us to predict the energy gap between these shifted states. In the case of just a magnetic field we can easily solve the problem without any perturbation theory. But often (when perturbation is more sophisticated) the problem may have no exact analytical solution.

Mathematically, you write [tex]\hat H = \hat H_0 + \hat V, \psi = \psi_0 +\delta \psi[/tex], Schroedinger equation for [tex]\hat H_0[/tex] and [tex]\psi_0[/tex], and then for [tex]\hat H[/tex] and [tex]\psi[/tex] Remember that [tex]\hat V \ll \hat H_0, \delta \psi \ll \psi[/tex], so that you can neglect [tex]V\delta \cdot \psi[/tex] terms in the first order theory
 
Cheers Snarky Fellow, that's a great help. I can read on now, i just wish quantum mechanic books had good concise explanations like this!
 
Just a nitpick: While it's a common textbook example, perturbation theory (to the first order) doesn't actually do a great job of helium, or even for atoms/molecules. The variational method is therefore usually used.
 

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