Simple quantum entanglement qustion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of quantum entanglement, particularly focusing on whether observing entangled particles can allow for faster-than-light communication. Participants explore the nature of information transfer and the conditions under which knowledge can be gained from entangled states.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that observing two entangled particles separated by a significant distance could imply that information is transmitted faster than light if one side's observation leads to a definitive outcome for the other side.
  • Another participant counters that knowing the state of the light bulb does not constitute transmitting information, as it relies on pre-established instructions rather than actual communication.
  • There is a reiteration that the results of observing the particles are probabilistic, meaning one cannot know the state of the light bulb until the observation is made, which raises questions about knowledge gained from entanglement.
  • A participant emphasizes that to send information, control over the sending end is necessary, and due to the inherent randomness in quantum measurement, no useful information can be inferred by the receiver.
  • Reference is made to the no-cloning theorem, which states that it is impossible to create an identical copy of an arbitrary unknown quantum state, suggesting limitations on information transfer methods involving entangled particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether quantum entanglement allows for faster-than-light information transfer. There is no consensus, as some argue for the possibility while others highlight the limitations and randomness involved in quantum measurements.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the probabilistic nature of quantum measurements and the implications of the no-cloning theorem, which may affect the feasibility of certain proposed methods of communication using entangled particles.

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i do not posses deep knowledge of Quantum physics nor regular physics for that mater novice at best. so i have a idea say you have 2 entangled particles separated by say 5 light years by the idea when you observe them you will get result X and the opposite on the second particle so Y. soo if you set a light bulb to go off if the result from observing the entangled particle is X, and if both sides separated by 5 light years observe the particles and side A gets Y then side B will automatically get X and the light bulb will go off resulting is side A knowing the bulb went off so wouldn't that mean information traveled faster then light. sorry for the confusion
 
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You can know that the light bulb is off, but you did not transmit information with that - you just followed instructions decided in advance. Try to send an email with that method - it cannot work.
 
but the results from observing the particle can go in 1 of 2 ways so you can't know ether the light bulb is off or not until you observe the particles resulting in you gaining knowledge what is on the other side of the 5 light year distance
 
simkhovich said:
but the results from observing the particle can go in 1 of 2 ways so you can't know ether the light bulb is off or not until you observe the particles resulting in you gaining knowledge what is on the other side of the 5 light year distance

There has been some previous discussion of this idea - try this thread: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=675398&highlight=Entanglement and look for the replies from the science advisors.
 
simkhovich said:
but the results from observing the particle can go in 1 of 2 ways so you can't know ether the light bulb is off or not until you observe the particles resulting in you gaining knowledge what is on the other side of the 5 light year distance

In order to send information you need control of what's at the sending end. When you observe one particle at the sending end its 50-50 what it is - you have no idea what it is. The other end its the opposite but since the sender had no idea what it was the receiver can't infer anything from it.

Some bright spark came up with a way around it by cloning a particle. It led to the development of the no cloning theorem - so you can't do it - at least that way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-cloning_theorem

Thanks
Bill
 

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