Simplifying Factorials: Rules and Examples

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The discussion revolves around simplifying factorial expressions, specifically the ratio of factorials such as \(\frac{297!}{98! \times 199!}\) and \(\frac{310!}{2! \times 299!}\). Participants are exploring methods to simplify these expressions and are considering the application of Stirling's approximation for large numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to find rules for simplifying factorials and expresses concern about the computational effort required for large factorials. Some participants question the clarity of the original poster's request for help. Others discuss the use of Stirling's approximation and share their experiences with large number calculators to verify results.

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The discussion includes various attempts to clarify the factorial simplification process, with some participants providing insights into Stirling's approximation. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but participants are engaging with the topic and sharing their findings.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework rules that may limit the use of certain tools or methods. There is also mention of a calculator's limitations regarding factorial calculations.

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I need to figure out the following factorial

\frac{297!}{98! * 199!}

then take the logarithim of that

Is there a rule that I can use to simplify the equation and get the same result?

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I did another example where I used

\frac{310!}{2!*299!}
and I figured it out to be
(310*309*308*307*306*305*304*303*302*301*300) / 2!

but if i were to apply the same rule
I'd need to do 98 multiplications starting from 297 going down to 199
and that'd take way too long in my calculator. i.e 297*296*295...200 / 98!

please help, I need some rules to follow
i couldn't find any anywhere,
 
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Stirling's formula:

<br /> n! \approx \sqrt{2 \, \pi n} \left(\frac{n}{e}\right)^{n}, \ n &gt;&gt; 1<br />
 
Could you be more precise on what you mean by "figure out"?
 
Hurkyl said:
Could you be more precise on what you mean by "figure out"?



well I used a big number calculator that let's me use factorials up to 500!,

found out the answer to be 45.4 or something

then tried to replicate that answer on my normal calculator by guessing that

310!/299! is actually 300!*301!*...310!, then divided that by 2! which is equal to 2,

and it was the same answer, 45.4


thanks to that other guy,
I forgot about stirlings approximations :P
 
vorcil said:
well I used a big number calculator that let's me use factorials up to 500!,

found out the answer to be 45.4 or something

then tried to replicate that answer on my normal calculator by guessing that

310!/299! is actually 300!*301!*...310!, then divided that by 2! which is equal to 2,

and it was the same answer, 45.4
Probably a typo, but 310!/299! = [310*309*308*307*306*305*304*303*302*301*300*299!]/299!.

The 299! factors cancel and you're left with 310*309*308*307*306*305*304*303*302*301*300.
vorcil said:
thanks to that other guy,
I forgot about stirlings approximations :P
 

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