Sinusoidal and exponential series

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of expressing periodic functions using sinusoidal series and the concept of incorporating exponential factors into these representations. Participants explore the relationship between Fourier series and functions with exponential variations, questioning the nature of periodicity in such contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that periodic functions can be expressed as a series of sinusoids, while questioning if periodic functions with exponential variation can also be represented in a similar manner.
  • There is a request for clarification on what constitutes "periodic functions with exponential variation," with examples provided to illustrate the concept.
  • Participants discuss the implications of including an exponential factor in a Fourier series, suggesting that it could represent certain functions effectively.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the periodicity of functions when multiplied by exponential factors, with some asserting that the resulting product is no longer periodic.
  • A proposed series is presented that combines sinusoidal and exponential components, aimed at expressing any function through this formulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of periodic functions when exponential factors are involved, leading to unresolved questions about the validity and implications of such representations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of periodicity and exponential variation, as well as the assumptions underlying the proposed series. The discussion does not resolve these aspects.

Jhenrique
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If is possible to expess periodic functions as a serie of sinusoids, so is possible to express periodic functions with exponential variation through of a serie of sinusoids multiplied by a serie of exponentials? Also, somebody already thought in the ideia of express any function how a serie of exponential?
 
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What do you mean by "periodic functions wit exponential variation"?
 
HallsofIvy said:
What do you mean by "periodic functions wit exponential variation"?

An exemple of a periodic function that can be approximate by Fourier series is:
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And another exemple of a "periodic function with exponential variation" is a function like this:
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So, if exist a exponential factor in the Fourier series, this serie would be perfect for represent this second graph. Yeah!?
 
Jhenrique said:
And another exemple of a "periodic function with exponential variation" is a function like this:
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The function in the graph is not periodic. For a periodic function whose period is p, f(x) = f(x + p), for any x.
Jhenrique said:
So, if exist a exponential factor in the Fourier series, this serie would be perfect for represent this second graph. Yeah!?
 
Mark44 said:
The function in the graph is not periodic. For a periodic function whose period is p, f(x) = f(x + p), for any x.

True! But, what say about a Fourier serie with factor exponential?
 
The Fourier series for a function is periodic, but if you multiply that series by an exponential function, the product is no longer periodic. I'm not sure I understand what you're asking, though.
 
Mark44 said:
The Fourier series for a function is periodic, but if you multiply that series by an exponential function, the product is no longer periodic. I'm not sure I understand what you're asking, though.

The Fourier series, roughly speaking, is ##f(t) = \sum_{-\infty }^{+\infty } A_\omega \cos(\omega t - \varphi_\omega ) \Delta \omega ##, I was thinking in a serie like this: ##f(t) = \sum_{-\infty }^{+\infty } \sum_{-\infty }^{+\infty } A_{\omega \sigma} \exp(\sigma t) \cos(\omega t - \varphi_{\omega \sigma}) \Delta \omega \Delta \sigma## with the intention of express any function through this serie.
 

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