Small angle lunar haloes

  • Context: Stargazing 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Bandersnatch
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the observation of small lunar haloes, specifically those within a 4-6 degree radius from the Moon. Participants explore the causes of these haloes, distinguishing them from the well-understood 22-degree halo, and consider various atmospheric conditions that may contribute to their formation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes observing multiple small haloes around the Moon, noting their bright central disc and darker gaps between outer circular haloes.
  • Another participant suggests that the multiple haloes could result from Moonlight passing through water droplets and ice crystals at different altitudes.
  • A different participant proposes that the size of the haloes may vary based on the thickness and density of cold air and moisture particles, emphasizing the roles of refraction and diffraction.
  • One participant raises the possibility that the observed phenomenon could be a corona, providing links to external resources for further exploration.
  • A later reply questions the relationship between droplet size and the angular size of the corona, suggesting it may relate to diffraction and comparing it to powder diffraction or scattering by colloids.
  • Another participant notes that non-spherical aerosols, such as pollen, can produce non-circular rings, indicating a complexity in the atmospheric conditions affecting the observed haloes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the causes of the small lunar haloes, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. Multiple competing views remain regarding the mechanisms involved in their formation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention different atmospheric conditions and the potential influence of droplet size on halo appearance, but these factors remain unresolved and depend on specific environmental conditions.

Bandersnatch
Science Advisor
Messages
3,594
Reaction score
3,241
Yesterday night I watched the Moon. It was surrounded by a set of haloes, relatively small in diameter. I didn't take a picture.
I understand the cause of the 22-degree halo, but I don't know what causes those smaller haloes.
These were approximately within 4-6 degree in radius from the Moon. The central one was disc-like, bright throughout the area. The remaining one or two (I can no longer remember clearly) outer ones were circular, separated by darker gaps.
The sky was clear, and the effect persisted throughout the night.
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
A couple possible explanations:

Those multiple halos were do to the Moon light passing thru both water droplets (fog) and ice crystals in the atmosphere; or passing thru either one of these that was present at different altitudes.

Cheers,
Tom
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Bandersnatch and Klystron
Bandersnatch said:
Yesterday night I watched the Moon. It was surrounded by a set of haloes, relatively small in diameter. I didn't take a picture.
I understand the cause of the 22-degree halo, but I don't know what causes those smaller haloes.
These were approximately within 4-6 degree in radius from the Moon. The central one was disc-like, bright throughout the area. The remaining one or two (I can no longer remember clearly) outer ones were circular, separated by darker gaps.
The sky was clear, and the effect persisted throughout the night.
The haloes will vary in size according to the thickness and density of the cold air and moisture particles in the regen, whether they are frozen or not; it's just a matter of refraction and defraction. If you could observe the haloes from a longer distance, they would be more defused and larger in size.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Bandersnatch
Bandersnatch said:
Yesterday night I watched the Moon. It was surrounded by a set of haloes, relatively small in diameter. I didn't take a picture.
I understand the cause of the 22-degree halo, but I don't know what causes those smaller haloes.
These were approximately within 4-6 degree in radius from the Moon. The central one was disc-like, bright throughout the area. The remaining one or two (I can no longer remember clearly) outer ones were circular, separated by darker gaps.
The sky was clear, and the effect persisted throughout the night.
I wonder if you saw a corona:

https://www.atoptics.org.uk/droplets/cormoon.htm
https://www.atoptics.org.uk/droplets/corona.htm

I've seen similar rings on occasion- AFAIK, they form when the intervening droplets/ice crystals are very uniform in size.
 
  • Like
  • Informative
Likes   Reactions: Tom.G and Bandersnatch
Thanks everyone. Corona does look similar.
Have any of you seen it worked out somewhere how the droplet size relates to the angular size of the corona, or how that outer ring forms (I'm assuming it's something similar to the rainbow mechanism). In a textbook maybe? I'd like to nerd it out a little.
 
Bandersnatch said:
Thanks everyone. Corona does look similar.
Have any of you seen it worked out somewhere how the droplet size relates to the angular size of the corona, or how that outer ring forms (I'm assuming it's something similar to the rainbow mechanism). In a textbook maybe? I'd like to nerd it out a little.
I think it's a straight diffraction problem, similar to powder diffraction or scattering by colloids. IIRC, the angular diameter of the rings depends on the droplet size, the ring spacing depends on the average spacing of droplets, and multiple rings indicate good monodispersity.

I don't think it's a case of Mie scattering (that's responsible for backscattering phenomena like glories)

Apparently non-spherical aerosols (like pollen) produce non-circular rings:
https://www.atoptics.org.uk/droplets/pollen1.htm
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Bandersnatch

Similar threads

  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
3K
  • · Replies 36 ·
2
Replies
36
Views
18K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
6K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
11K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
5K