Smallest Atomic Radius: Cl-, K+, or Ar?

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The discussion revolves around determining which of the ions Cl-, K+, or the noble gas Ar has the smallest atomic radius. Participants explore concepts related to atomic size, electronegativity, and nuclear charge, with a focus on the implications of these factors on atomic radius.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that Argon may have the smallest radius due to its proton count, but expresses uncertainty about this reasoning.
  • Another participant argues that Chlorine, being more electronegative, would pull its electrons closer, potentially decreasing its radius, while Potassium's lower electronegativity would allow its electrons to extend outward, increasing its radius.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that Argon or Potassium might have smaller radii due to their higher proton counts, dismissing Cl- as a contender.
  • One participant notes that all three species have the same number of electrons, differing only in nuclear charge, implying that a higher nuclear charge leads to a stronger attraction and potentially a smaller radius.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between the charges and the number of electrons in the context of atomic radius.
  • Several participants acknowledge confusion regarding the charges and the implications for atomic size, with one admitting to a lapse in focus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on which species has the smallest atomic radius, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the importance of nuclear charge and electronegativity, while others question the implications of these factors.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the definitions and implications of electronegativity and nuclear charge on atomic radius, as well as the role of electron count in this context.

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Homework Statement


which has the smallest atomic radius: cl-, k+, Ar


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The Attempt at a Solution


i thought it was argon, but I am not sure because it does have the most protons to bringin the electrons. please someone reply soon!
 
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The radius of an atom is determined by its overall size and its electronegativity, but in this case the atoms are very similar in size. Chlorine is more electronegative and will pull its electrons in more, decreasing its radius. Potassium is very weakly electronegative, and would rather extend its electrons outward, increasing its radius. Argon is noble, and just sits in between.
 
are you sure about this answer? i don't doubt you or anything, I am just making sure before i engrave this logic into my brain.
 
i think its argon or potassium because they have the more protons and thus greater attractions. cl- is out for sure. it can't be right sorry
 
Note all three have the same number of electrons - they differ only by the nucleus charge. The higher the nucles charge, the stronger the attraction.
 
Yes, I second to Borek answer.

The logic is simple. Positive (nucleus) attract negative (electrons).

So which is more in each atom? Positively charged species? Negatively charged species?
 
Borek said:
Note all three have the same number of electrons - they differ only by the nucleus charge. The higher the nucles charge, the stronger the attraction.
Ah, I didn't even notice that the charges were the same!
 
Charges are not the same, number of electrons is.
 
Of course; my mind has been a bit flighty the past few weeks. I guess I'll stop trying to help!
 
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Gannon said:
Of course; my mind has been a bit flighty the past few weeks. I guess I'll stop trying to help!

No need for that, just slow down when replying :smile: I am hitting the same wall now and again.
 

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