Smallest Unit of Time: Planck Time Explained

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The discussion centers on the concept of Planck time, proposed as the smallest meaningful unit of time in physics, approximately 10^-43 seconds. Participants explore how this value is derived, its implications for measurement, and the nature of time itself, including whether shorter time intervals could exist.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the derivation of Planck time and the reasons it is considered a limit, questioning if lower time intervals lead to mathematical conflicts, such as division by zero.
  • One participant references a thought experiment involving the measurement of an object's position using photons, suggesting that attempting to measure with precision below Planck length could create a black hole, complicating measurements.
  • Another participant argues that Planck time is merely a convenient unit and asserts that there is no definitive smallest unit of time, implying that shorter intervals may exist.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of Planck time in relation to the early universe, with one participant expressing confusion about whether physics breaks down at this scale.
  • There is mention of a divide in conventional thinking between those who view time as a continuous flow versus those who consider it as composed of discrete units, with no consensus on how to prove either perspective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of Planck time, with some supporting its significance as a limit and others contesting the idea of a smallest unit of time. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in measuring time and the implications of theoretical frameworks, but do not resolve the underlying assumptions or definitions related to time and measurement.

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i read somewhere that the smallest unit of time that makes sense is the Planck time, ~10^-43 seconds. I'd like to know how physicists arrived at this number. Also, why is it so impossible to think of a time step lower than that? What equation exactly is in conflict, and what kind of a conflict is it? For example, do you get a division by 0 if you try to use a lower time, somehow? or what happens?

thanks
 
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From wikipedia:
"The following thought experiment illuminates this fact. The task is to measure an object's position by bouncing electromagnetic radiation, namely photons, off it. The shorter the wavelength of the photons, and hence the higher their energy, the more accurate the measurement. If the photons are sufficiently energetic to make possible a measurement more precise than a Planck length, their collision with the object would, in principle, create a minuscule black hole. This black hole would "swallow" the photon and thereby make it impossible to obtain a measurement. A simple calculation using dimensional analysis suggests that this problem arises if we attempt to measure an object's position with a precision to within a Planck length."

The Planck time is the time it takes for a particle traveling at c to cross the Planck length.

Also, dimensional analysis shows that the Planck length is the only length that can be obtained from some mix of the 3 important physical constants G, h, c (up to a scale factor), so this shows that it might (must?) have some physical importance. If space and time are discrete it would seem that the Planck length and time would be the natural units for discreteness.
 
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Mephisto said:
i read somewhere that the smallest unit of time that makes sense is the Planck time, ~10^-43 seconds. I'd like to know how physicists arrived at this number. Also, why is it so impossible to think of a time step lower than that? What equation exactly is in conflict, and what kind of a conflict is it? For example, do you get a division by 0 if you try to use a lower time, somehow? or what happens?

thanks
The "Planck time" is just a convenient unit of time for some applications.
It is not a "smallest unit of time" and there is no reason that shorter time intervals
don't exist.
 
that text from wikipedia is so clear. i always thought plank time was the time at which after the big bang no one can describe.

like from t=0s to t=1^-43s physics breaksdown and doesn't describe this period

is this all wrong in which case I've plucked from absolute nothing??
 
To my knowledge there is no "shortest unit of time". There is only an inability to measure time to determine if one actually exists. So far conventional thinking is divided between the uniform flow camp and the discrete unit camp and no one has devised a way to prove or disprove either one.
 

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