B Is There a Connection Between Planck Length and Planck Time in Relativity?

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The discussion explores the relationship between Planck length and Planck time in the context of relativity, questioning whether they experience time dilation and length contraction at different rates as speeds approach light. It is clarified that Planck units are arbitrary and serve as definitions rather than physical limits, with the assertion that seconds are larger than meters. The conversation emphasizes that both length contraction and time dilation can be calculated using the same gamma factor, indicating they occur on the same scale. Additionally, the relevance of Planck quantities in special relativity is debated, with some participants arguing they hold no physical significance. Ultimately, the thread concludes that there is no established size limit in relativity, and current particle colliders do not reach scales smaller than the Planck units.
  • #31
This is probably repeating the same question, but i want to make sure it is:

I've watched the following 3 part video:


If we consider that g=h=c=1 and derive the meter, second and kg from them:

Does length contraction advance at the same rate as time dilation advances, as an object gets closer towards the speed of light?

Is the subject of arbitrariness now still what defines this question, as it was that defined it as originally expressed in this thread?
 
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  • #32
roineust said:
Does length contraction advance at the same rate as time dilation advances, as an object gets closer towards the speed of light?
Either I am misunderstanding your question or it was answered by @PeroK in post #8.
 
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  • #33
Nugatory said:
Either I am misunderstanding your question or it was answered by @PeroK in post #8.

How is it that an expression (gamma) that includes time and length in it, in the form of speed, is dimensionless?
 
  • #34
roineust said:
How is it that an expression (gamma) that includes time and length in it, in the form of speed, is dimensionless?
You can easily work out the units for yourself.
 
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  • #35
roineust said:
How is it that an expression (gamma) that includes time and length in it, in the form of speed, is dimensionless?
Because it only involves ##v/c## and that is dimensionless.
 
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  • #36
Is a single occurrence of light refraction in water, considered mathematically an addition of a dimension?
 
  • #37
roineust said:
Is a single occurrence of light refraction in water, considered mathematically an addition of a dimension?
Whatever you mean to say here, it's coming across as nonsense. Try to formulate your question more clearly. If it's a new topic, start a new thread.
 
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  • #38
roineust said:
Does a single occurrence of light refraction in water, considered mathematically an addition of a dimension?
"Dimension" in this context is the physical dimensions of length ##L##, mass ##M## and time ##T##. For example, velocity has dimensions of ##LT^{-1}##,; force has dimensions of ##MLT^{-2}## and energy has dimensions of ##ML^2T^{-2}##.

This is not to be confused with spatial and time dimensions.

Something like ##\frac v c##, or ##\frac {m_1}{m_2}## which appears in a lot of mechanics problems, is dimensionless. This means also that these quantities are independent of the units. If the velocity is half the speed of light, then ##\frac v c = \frac 1 2## regardless of the units.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis
 
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  • #39
Maybe we could remove the arbitraryness of the original question regarding units by assuming a base measure of length as 1 Lightsecond = 299796 km = 1 Flash [f]. By using this base, the Planck-Length would become 0.53*10^-43 f. So why is it only roughly half the length that light could cover in 1 Planck-Time (1*10^-43 s)?
If you define your unit of length to only rely on your unit of time (which you can do since there is such a well defined, prominent speed...), then it becomes irrelevant what you mean by "1 Second" as well, the ratio still is roughly 2 Planck-Length = 1 Planck-Time. It might be "irrelevant" to ask why - but then, why's that?
 
  • #40
Thomas Sturm said:
So why is it only roughly half the length that light could cover in 1 Planck-Time (1*10^-43 s)?
It isn't - your value for the Planck time is off by a factor of roughly two. The Planck time is 5.39×10-44s, which is consistent with your Planck length in light seconds - as it must be by definition.
 
  • #41
"The Planck time is the time it would take a photon traveling at the speed of light to across a distance equal to the Planck length. " Is the, very sensible, answer to the original question, then. If I had just googled "planck time length" first...this was just such a "1st-post-idiocity" from me, it really made me laugh (and still smile as I type this, in a slightly embarrassed kind of way). Thank you Ibix.
"No. It just means that seconds are bigger than meters."
This just has to be the coolest answer, ever.
 
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