SO(2n) representation on n complex fields

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The discussion revolves around the representation of the SO(2n) group on n complex fields, particularly in the context of a Lagrangian that includes terms of the form ##\Psi^{\dagger}_\mu \Psi^\mu##. Participants explore the implications of decomposing complex fields into real fields and the symmetry properties that arise from this decomposition.

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  • One participant suggests that decomposing n complex fields into 2n real fields reveals an SO(2n) symmetry in the Lagrangian.
  • Another participant notes the dimensional differences between SU(N) and SO(2N), stating that SO(2N) is larger than SU(N), but questions the relevance of this point to the original inquiry.
  • A later reply proposes working out the generators of SO(2N) and discusses how they interact with the decomposed fields, mentioning the potential need for a charge-conjugation operator.
  • Another participant references their previous work on a related field theory, indicating that while they have insights into the relationship between SU(N) and SO(2N) irreps, they do not have a straightforward representation of SO(2N) on the complex fields.

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Participants express varying degrees of uncertainty regarding the explicit representation of SO(2n) on the complex fields. While some points about the symmetry and dimensionality are discussed, no consensus is reached on a clear representation or solution.

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Participants mention the complexity of the generators and the need for additional operators, indicating that the discussion involves unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the representations.

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If I have a lagrangian which has terms of the form ##\Psi^{\dagger}_\mu \Psi^\mu## then I can decompose the n complex ##\Psi## fields into 2n real fields by ##\Psi_\mu = \eta_{2\mu+1} + i\eta_{2\mu}##. When I look at the lagrangian now it seems to have SO(2n) symmetry from mixing the 2n real fields.

Is there any obvious choice of representing SO(2n) on the n complex ##\Psi## fields explicitly?
 
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The SU(N) is a ##N^2-1##-dimensional Lie group, while SO(2N) is ##2N(2N-1)/2=2N^2-N## dimensional. So SO(2N) is in this sense larger than SU(N).
 
vanhees71 said:
The SU(N) is a ##N^2-1##-dimensional Lie group, while SO(2N) is ##2N(2N-1)/2=2N^2-N## dimensional. So SO(2N) is in this sense larger than SU(N).

Youre not wrong, but I don't see how this helps
 
Well we could work out the generators. The SO(2N) generator mixing ##\eta_{2\mu+1}## and ##\eta_{2\mu}## becomes a U(1) generator acting on ##\Psi_\mu##, and SO(2N) generators mixing even indexed ##\eta##'s have the same form when acting on ##\Psi##, and similarly for odd indexed ##\eta##'s. Then there are the SO(2N) generators that mix an even ##\eta## and an odd ##\eta##; I suspect will we need the charge-conjugation operator (which exchanges ##\Psi## and ##\Psi^\dagger##) to express those ...
 
hideelo said:
Is there any obvious choice of representing SO(2n) on the n complex ##\Psi## fields explicitly?

I worked on a field theory with the same enlarged symmetry a few years ago, see here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1603.05652

For my purposes, I was largely interested in how the SU(N) irreps fit inside the larger SO(2N) irreps, see section IV (page 21). I have a mapping between the creation operators in the SU(N) and SO(2N) notation in equations 55-56, but I don't think my mapping implies a simple SO(2N) action on the complex field itself. So I don't have a good answer for you, but maybe looking at what I did will help.

Also, chapter 23 of Georgi's textbook is entirely dedicated to SU(N) \subset SO(2N).
 
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