So what is your favourite theory for the beginning of the universe

[11jdodds]

Personally I like Cyclic model, what do you think is the most interesting, and which do you think is the most likely.


Title is meant to say universe

As phinds has said the 'creation' of the universe is the wrong word, therefore I would like to replace it with the word 'beginning'

 

[phinds]

Personally I like Cyclic model, what do you think is the most interesting, and which do you think is the most likely.


Title is meant to say universe

As far as I'm aware, the cyclic model says nothing about the CREATION of the universe, so you've given an invalid answer to your own question. That's the problem with turtles all the way down.

 

[11jdodds]

As far as I'm aware, the cyclic model says nothing about the CREATION of the universe, so you've given an invalid answer to your own question. That's the problem with turtles all the way down.

Cheers mate, however I am sure you know what I mean (do you not).
Also how would you word the question?

 

[phinds]

Cheers mate, however I am sure you know what I mean (do you not).
Also how would you word the question?

Proper formulation of questions is very important in science. Sloppy terminology evolves from and/or leads to sloppy thinking and wrong answers (or answers that are not to the question you thought you were asking). I KNOW this sounds pedantic as hell, but it has been demonstrated on this forum over and over again.

I would state the question as "the currently accepted theory of cosmology is the Big Bang Theory but it is silent on the question of what was going on / what happened at t=0 (the "singularity"). What do you think was going on / happened?"

 

[11jdodds]

Thank

Proper formulation of questions is very important in science. Sloppy terminology evolves from and/or leads to sloppy thinking and wrong answers (or answers that are not to the question you thought you were asking). I KNOW this sounds pedantic as hell, but it has been demonstrated on this forum over and over again.

I would state the question as "the currently accepted theory of cosmology is the Big Bang Theory but it is silent on the question of what was going on / what happened at t=0 (the "singularity"). What do you think was going on / happened?"

Thanks

 

[Vanadium 50]

In science we do not vote.

 

[phinds]

As phinds has said the 'creation' of the universe is the wrong word, therefore I would like to replace it with the word 'beginning'

In what way do you see "beginning" as being different than "creation"? I am NOT trying to be hard to get along with here, I am trying to help you understand that your question is actually vague.

You would be better off asking people which model they prefer, the Big Bang, the Steady State, Cyclic, and so forth. The BB is silent on the subject of a creation/beginning, the Steady State is thoroughly discredited, and the Cyclic has zero empirical evidence and in any case is also silent on the creation/beginning since it just uses the nifty copout of "eternal". I think there are probably others which also have zero empirical evidence but some supporters

 

[phinds]

Uh, I just realized this thread is in the intro section. This kind of thread does NOT belong in the intro section. I have reported it and suggested that it be moved.

 

[jim mcnamara]

In science we do not vote.

We test a hypothesis. No testable hypothesis means nobody currently knows. I could posit something stupid: 'Before the universe came to be, there was a giant walrus. She gave birth to the Universe'. Aside from being ridiculous, there is no known way to test that statement. If indeed 'before' existed. So therefore the scientific answer is: nobody currently knows.

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Too many folks think that they can have any view they want about Science, and that because they think it, it is true. Or at least worthy of consideration. This problem of subjective science (as opposed to objective science) runs from major political figures who potentially make serious life-altering decisions, to the guy living on the park bench down the street.
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[my2cts]

there is no known way to test that statement

I will give it a try. Where is that walrus now ?

 

[PeterDonis]

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