Soil Mechanics: Relationship between pH of seawater and sand

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential relationship between the pH of seawater and the engineering properties of sand collected from a beach. Participants explore whether the pH of seawater has any implications for soil mechanics, particularly in relation to properties such as angle of repose, suction, and shear strength.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the relevance of seawater pH to soil mechanics, noting that their course focuses on engineering properties rather than agricultural implications.
  • Another participant mentions a specific soil type called sabkha, which forms in high salinity seas and suggests a weak chemical link between salinity and pH.
  • A later reply indicates that some research suggests a lower pH solution can increase tensile strength in certain sand soil combinations, proposing a potential relationship worth exploring.
  • One participant reflects on the lack of a relationship between sand and pH from a formation perspective, while also acknowledging the engineering focus of the inquiry.
  • Another participant raises a question about the absence of fine-grained beach material from calcareous rock, prompting further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between seawater pH and sand properties. Multiple viewpoints are presented, with some suggesting potential links while others express skepticism about the relevance.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the focus on introductory soil mechanics, which may restrict the depth of exploration into the relationship between seawater pH and sand properties. Additionally, the discussion references specific studies and concepts that may not be universally accepted or applicable.

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Is there any relationship between the pH of seawater and any properties of the sand at the beach? If so, what/ why/ how?

Context: I am writing a report for my Soil Mechanics course, for which we analysed some sand we collected at the beach, as well as some seawater. One of the key properties to measure - as suggested by both lecturer and lab tutors - was the pH of the seawater, which leads me to believe there might be some relationship.

I am aware that the pH of soil affects what kind of plants can grow, but this is a soil mechanics subject, not agriculture (i.e. we also have to find the angle of repose, suction, shear strength, etc...). So why bother with the pH of seawater?

I have tried finding relevant material in the textbook for the course [Soil Mechanics and Foundations, Buhdu] but have been unsuccessful. Furthermore, my attempts at online research have lead me as far as finding the best soil pH to grow crops.

Any insights will be very much appreciated!
 
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Good morning mjichael, welcome to physics forums.

Please clarify: by soils mechanics do you mean engineering properties for structural purposes or do you mean soil science as in agriculture?

I am not aware of any relation between sand and pH from a formation of sand point of view.

From the point of structural engineering point of view there is a soil type called sabkha which forms in certain tropical high salinity seas such as the Red Sea.
There is a weak chemical link between salinity and pH.
Sabkha has interesting propeties.

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sa=X...gc.r_pw.&fp=a12593077bd7289e&biw=1024&bih=585

A forum search will show that both the Sabkha and the relationship between pH and salinity has been discussed here before.

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I am indeed referring to the sand's engineering properties for structural purposes.

I didn't think there was going to be a relationship, but I thought I better ask!

Thanks for your reply, I will be sure to check out sabkha :)
 
Did you, for instance, repeat this exercise near a beach formed from calcareous rock and ask why is there no find grained beach material equivalent to sand grains?
 
No we only did it once, and to my knowledge there was no calcareous rock nearby. I think that is probably beyond the scope of my course anyway, given it is just an introduction.
 
mjichael said:
Is there any relationship between the pH of seawater and any properties of the sand at the beach? If so, what/ why/ how?

Context: I am writing a report for my Soil Mechanics course, for which we analysed some sand we collected at the beach, as well as some seawater. One of the key properties to measure - as suggested by both lecturer and lab tutors - was the pH of the seawater, which leads me to believe there might be some relationship.

I am aware that the pH of soil affects what kind of plants can grow, but this is a soil mechanics subject, not agriculture (i.e. we also have to find the angle of repose, suction, shear strength, etc...). So why bother with the pH of seawater?

I have tried finding relevant material in the textbook for the course [Soil Mechanics and Foundations, Buhdu] but have been unsuccessful. Furthermore, my attempts at online research have lead me as far as finding the best soil pH to grow crops.

Any insights will be very much appreciated!

Some research has shown that the pH of the solution can effect the tensile strength for some sand soil combinations. Apparently a lower pH solution increases soil particle bonding stress and thus increases tensile strength.

Check out: http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/springer...of-contaminated-and-compacted-sand-noOE0MPPsl

CS
 

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